In reply to Tom Knowles:
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> Goodness, that all sounds very serious. By the way, it's not UKC who's putting him on trial, just a group of begrudging individuals with a mob mentality.
Tom - I don't mean to sound 'serious' - but I am sure we are all aware that these things can turn in to a bit of a witch-hunt and wanted to state that that is certainly not my intention. Such threads can descend in to unpleasant affairs and I have no wish to take part in one.
RS has some impressive achievments to his name. Nailing 9a, a four minute mile and a sub 2:30 marathon are amazing achievements. Totally inspiring. It makes you think what a superb athlete he must be if he can do all this. It also makes you wonder not only how far he could push climbing, but also how far he could push running if he really 'went for it'. It also makes me wonder what else he could excel at if he turned his hand to it (rowing was mentioned above, for example). His achievements as stated above are AMAZING.
Now you seem to have come to this thread in a rather defensive fashion, and whilst some of the hear-say and conjecture above is perhaps inflammatory, I AND SEVERAL OTHERS ON THIS THREAD HAVE APPROACHED THESE ACHIEVEMENTS IN A SPIRIT OF WONDERMENT.
I am sure as an athlete, Rich Simpson would expect any such remarkable claim to be backed up by evidence - I mean isn't it natural when someone makes an amazing claim to ask 'which race' and 'when'?.
I am sure you yourself would require evidence if I said I had run a 4MM or achieved sub 2:30 in the marathon. As both these latter two events are regularly monitored and measured across a wide range of formal events, it seems to be harder to avoid popping up on a database than otherwise - particularly if such levels of performance are being achieved.
Whatever the rumours, it is nevertheless surprising that a few simple queries (and several in depth ones), have brought up no evidence of either the stated achievements, or records by RS of, say, a sub 3:00 marathon or a time just outside a four minute mile. You'd expect a bit of 'smoke' if not the fire itself.
> It's maybe natural where you come from, but it isn't for me. And on that note, I'll leave you to your little courtroom debacle, and sign off.
Again, if someone says they ran a 2:30 marathon - I would naturally ask 'which marathon and when'. Why is that so unnatural to you? Just as if someone says they climbed 9a, I'd ask 'which route and when'. As for a 4MM....well I am sure you can guess the direction my curiosity would lead me in.
You seem to be making an appeal to authority but I have yet to meet a climber who, whilst not bullshitting outright, has not pushed a climbing story a wee bit (me included) - recounting a tale with a longer run-out, a bigger fall, worse gear, a harder crux etc....It is all part of telling a good tale. No harm in that. But also, there is a history of climbers in the upper echelons of climbing bullshitting - be it about a FA, chipping, red pointing, practicing a route etc....
Now personally I have no qualms (at the moment) about RS's climbing achievements, but his running achievements....well let's say the jury is still out until I see some hard proof. This requirement is firming up as this thread develops - for obvious reasons.
If nobody can be bothered to provide proof then NP - just don't expect me to believe it.