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The Ice Doctor - on 16 May 2017
The Tory's are spending ten times much as the other parties. Who bankrolls this? Money is buying the vote. Democracy. Yeah, real transparency we have here in the UK. I wonder what the Tory bill is for their campaign? When they are Buying the media, buying the press.

Money better donated to the NHS in imho.

Where's the incentive? There ain't cost greed is good! Strong and stable? No. Finance a con trick and screw the general public, while lining a few executive pockets even more.

Wake up people.

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Gordon Stainforth - on 16 May 2017
In reply to The Ice Doctor:

> Wake up people.

I'm afraid most are asleep, in a new kind of dogmatic slumber.

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Big Ger - on 16 May 2017
In reply to The Ice Doctor:

Aren't we sheeple so lucky to have you to inform us?

Where did you get those remarkable figures from?
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Dave Perry - on 16 May 2017
In reply to The Ice Doctor:

It happens every time we have an election.

Anyway, democracy only happens the day we vote.
Tim Davies - on 16 May 2017
In reply to The Ice Doctor:

Didn't unite just donate 4 million to labour? Hardly an insubstantial sum.

Then again this is UKC, still in denial that miliband lost and the country voted to leave.
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summo on 16 May 2017
In reply to Tim Davies:

> Didn't unite just donate 4 million to labour? Hardly an insubstantial sum.

The union where only 11% of its total membership voted in their leader and the guy who ran against Len was sacked from the union. Socialist Democracy in action.

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The Lemming - on 16 May 2017
In reply to The Ice Doctor:
I want my money back.

I clicked on this thread looking for a joke. But if it is, then it is a crap one, with no punchline. You'll need to work on your presentation if you want to take this up for a living.

Try a knock knock type first?
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Postmanpat on 16 May 2017
In reply to The Ice Doctor:
> The Tory's are spending ten times much as the other parties. Who bankrolls this? Money is buying the vote. Democracy. Yeah, real transparency we have here in the UK. I wonder what the Tory bill is for their campaign?
>

Fake news.
We won't know how much is being spent until the audited accounts are produced and made public. I suspect you are muddling the overall spending up with the reported spending on facebook advertising.

The 2015 numbers are available:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/generalelection/general-election-2015-explained-who-fi...

These figures above do not include a further £45.5m spent by individual candidates and national parties. Of this, the parties spent about £31.5m and the candidates about £14m. A further £3m was spent by registered third parties.

Of the £31.5m spent by parties, £16.7m was spent by the Conservatives, £8 m by Labour, and £4.8m by the Liberal Democrats.

Just under a third – £9,095,766 – was spent on advertising, while £821,054 was spent on PRESS CONFERENCES.

This was less than in 2005, when party expenditure totalled £42.3m.

In real terms, expenditure on elections was far higher in the 19th century than it is today, because of the cost of bribing and treating electors. In the 1860s, the average cost of each vote, adjusted for inflation, was around £60, while campaign spending in the 1880 general election – in real terms – exceeded £100m.

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In 2014 the main political parties accepted the following donations:

Conservatives: £28,930,508;

Labour: £18,747,702;

Liberal Democrats: £8,221,771; Ukip: £3,847,474;

SNP: £3,772,594;

Co-operative Party: £843,557;

Green: £661,410

Plaid Cymru: £184,585
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The Ice Doctor - on 16 May 2017
In reply to Postmanpat:

We are in 2017. No I did not get this information from Facebook. ( Independent source, could it be true?) As for fake or real. Not sure what the difference is these days. Lol.
Postmanpat on 16 May 2017
In reply to The Ice Doctor:

> We are in 2017. No I did not get this information from Facebook. ( Independent source, could it be true?) As for fake or real. Not sure what the difference is these days. Lol.

Doh, what has facebook got to do with it?

Of course it can't be true-there is no audited data on spending until after the election. What is your "independent" source. A bloke on a bus?
Big Ger - on 16 May 2017
In reply to Postmanpat:

> What is your "independent" source. A bloke on a bus?

The mouse in his pocket probably..

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Lusk - on 16 May 2017
In reply to The Ice Doctor:

> As for fake or real. Not sure what the difference is these days. Lol.

Ooh, tricky one that, one's true and the other isn't.
In this age of social media, with every T, D & KH pontificating, don't believe anything.
Sounds awfully similar to what we were told decades ago, "Don't believe everything you read in the papers."
tripehound - on 17 May 2017
In reply to The Ice Doctor:

> The Tory's are spending ten times much as the other parties. Who bankrolls this? Money is buying the vote. Democracy. Yeah, real transparency we have here in the UK. I wonder what the Tory bill is for their campaign? When they are Buying the media, buying the press.Money better donated to the NHS in imho.Where's the incentive? There ain't cost greed is good! Strong and stable? No. Finance a con trick and screw the general public, while lining a few executive pockets even more.Wake up people.

See George Monbiots article about this in the guardian today.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/17/dark-money-democracy-billionaires-funding

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