£75.00!!!!! :-0
Seems a perfectly reasonable price.
Yeah but they ain't your average jeans! They're 'Transitional organic jeans'
To be fair £75 ain't bad if they last. I've been through 4 pairs of the £27 decathlon ones which aren't actually jeans but are just so nice to climb in. Ended up buying some moon ones which seem pretty bomb proof but nowhere near as comfy as the decathlon ones.
Yep, looking at Moon and Prana offerings, that's about the market price.
I managed about four years out of my old Alpkit jeans before killing the knees and about the same lifespan out of my Prana jeans that have just gone through.
Twice the price of normal jeans but I've worn mine for everyday use as well as gritstone climbing and they owe me nothing. In fact, I've just ordered a replacement pair. Comfy and stretchy enough for climbing without resorting to Ron Hills (shudders).
The first sentence is factually incorrect
> I managed about four years out of my old Alpkit jeans before killing the knees and about the same lifespan out of my Prana jeans that have just gone through.
> Twice the price of normal jeans but I've worn mine for everyday use as well as gritstone climbing and they owe me nothing. In fact, I've just ordered a replacement pair. Comfy and stretchy enough for climbing without resorting to Ron Hills (shudders).
Are you recommending the alpkit ones, the prana ones, or both?
Sorry Robert. Fixed that for you.
Do they still make the alpkit ones?
In anycase I wish someone would just make a pair with an elasticated waist like the old decathlon ones. Having all the buttons, zips, belt loops and even a belt under your harness is a pain in the arse.
> Sorry Robert. Fixed that for you.
Thanks. I would hate to be lumped in with gullible fashion victims
> In anycase I wish someone would just make a pair with an elasticated waist like the old decathlon ones. Having all the buttons, zips, belt loops and even a belt under your harness is a pain in the arse.
The answer,of course, is to wear something suitable and practical for climbing rather than jeans.
Sorry, I wasn't very clear.
I loved the Alpkit ones but sadly they stopped making them years ago.
The Prana Axioms are ace and are my go to now.
Rab Copperheads are also good stretchy jeans you can climb in.
Whaaaat??
I reckon I do 99% of my climbing in jeans (albeit climbing orientated stretchy jeans such as the ones reviewed) throughout the winter and I can't think of anything better. They're hard wearing, keep your legs adequately warm, stretch, and if cut well don't even need to stretch that much. They're also quite grabby on the rock, which is excellent if you're on a friction based rock type such as grit or sandstone. Weight-wise they're no heavier than some of the winter weight pants that are out there, but these can often feel too warm/restrictive for bouldering.
In short Rob, you're wrong
> In short Rob, you're wrong
To resolve the dispute, may I point out that nether-region wear only counts as "jeans" if made of denim, and these are not. Indeed:
"Despite the name, and the look, these are not jeans as I'd usually understand the term. Instead of the usual stiff, scritchy denim feel that you'd associate with jeans, the fabric is soft and forgiving."
So Rob is correct in deprecating jeans, and others are correct in lauding trousers of the sort in the review!
[PS The fact that "return" gives a new paragraph rather than a line break is very counter-intuitive and rather annoying!]
Have a like simply for the use of the term 'nether-region wear'
You could use a non controversial term like "A Pant"
> In short Rob, you're wrong
No, in short Rob, it's you who's wrong
Proper jeans are about the worst choice of trousers for climbing. At some point posers started climbing in them as if to say "look at me, I'm so good that I can climb better than you despite the restictiveness of these completely impractical jeans". Of course the jeans were, in reality, holding their climbing back, so a market was created for trousers which superficially look like jeans, thus allowing the posers to pose, but without actually restricting their climbing. So now what people refer to as climbing jeans are, as Coel pointed out, not actually jeans at all but overpriced accessories for fashion victims and would be posers.
Would I be more correct if I re-worded my overly harsh accusation to "nether-region wear masquerading as jeans, but not actually jeans, despite looking and feeling quite like jeans" or should I just admit defeat?
Thinking about it, I admit defeat...
"Yeah but they ain't your average jeans! They're 'Transitional organic jeans' "
If they are using "transitional cotton" then it should not be advertised as organic. Just another company jumping on the marketing benefits of claiming they care about the environment.
> Would I be more correct if I re-worded my overly harsh accusation to "nether-region wear masquerading as jeans, but not actually jeans, despite looking and feeling quite like jeans" or should I just admit defeat?
Leave out "and feeling" and you are spot on.
> Thinking about it, I admit defeat...
And I claim victory
> "Yeah but they ain't your average jeans! They're 'Transitional organic jeans' "
The blurb could almost be mistaken for a parody.
> Proper jeans are about the worst choice of trousers for climbing. At some point posers started climbing in them as if to say "look at me, I'm so good that I can climb better than you despite the restictiveness of these completely impractical jeans". Of course the jeans were, in reality, holding their climbing back, so a market was created for trousers which superficially look like jeans, thus allowing the posers to pose, but without actually restricting their climbing. So now what people refer to as climbing jeans are, as Coel pointed out, not actually jeans at all but overpriced accessories for fashion victims and would be posers.
Yeah, but if one is a crap climber you may as well look good while you're out, instead of failing miserably whilst wearing all the latest expensive high tech gear, that's just embarassing!
I like the way my peg hammer just fits in the back pocket.
> Yeah, but if one is a crap climber you may as well look good while you're out, instead of failing miserably whilst wearing all the latest expensive high tech gear, that's just embarassing!
Eh? This doesn't make any sense. Are you advocating fashion "jeans" for crap climbers or not?
> I like the way my peg hammer just fits in the back pocket.
> of course the breeks Rob wears are practical, durable and well priced https://www.flickr.com/photos/8027420@N04/37383723822/in/dateposted-public/ I need say no ????
Those are some powerstretch leggings which I got for £5 in a sale - perfect for cold days and my baggy Asda belay trousers fit nicely over the top. Don't worry, I keep another pair without holes in the arse for winter use at Ratho when there are children about.
> ... Having all the buttons, zips, belt loops and even a belt under your harness is a pain in the arse.
If you find the buttons and zips are sticking into your arse I think you have probably put them on back to front.
> Climbing trousers should never have pockets; one's krabs can catch in them hindering efficient runner placement which could result in failure or even death.
In the good old days, My guidebook always went in my leg / map pocket.
Got some recently in a sale. Currently my "Sunday best" jeans so haven't used them climbing yet. They are quite thin denim though but my other half likes them.
> The leggings are so 90’s ( I think it was that decade) and your headband/sweatband takes me back to when John McEnroe was young.
I just hate the feel of trousers when climbing, so it's either leggings or shorts for me.
The headband is purely to stop my glasses steaming up (I once failed on an E4 at Reiff because I didn't bother putting it on and a bystanding friend was so scared by my tantrums that she considered running away before I lowered off). If it makes me look cool or a knobhead then that is entirely incidental.
> You get the standard jeans pocket configuration - two rear pockets, two hip pockets and that funny little extra hip one that no one knows what to do with (keys? loose change?).
Commonly referred to as a hash pocket.
??
I thought it was a watch pocket from the days of pocket watches. Might get the buzzer in QI though......
Add me to the 'not everyone likes wearing jeans for climbing' list' please and I'll keep my 75 quid!