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 Robert Durran 02 Nov 2024

Related to and possibly partly explaining nut racking method, how do you select a nut for a slot? Do you look at the slot then look on your rack for a nut that looks the same size? Or do you look at a slot and think, say, "that's a 5 slot" and then go to where you rack your 5's? Or do you look at a slot and think, say, "that's a blue slot" and then go to where you rack your blue nuts?

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How do you select a nut?

I select by size
I select by mumber
I select by colour
I prefer pistachios but hazelnuts are ok
Caburys take 'em and they cover them in chocolate
Intuition and experience - Correct Nut selection just happens.
I select by size, number and colour
Test the slot size with fingers and select based on that.
Who would have thought that men on UKC could spend so long pondering their nuts?
I get them all out and trial and error
Just use a cam you old coot
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In reply to Robert Durran:

I suspect this is an age thing.

The elderly, brought up on machine nuts will go by size.

The more mature of us born with a silver rock in our mouths will go by number.

The youngsters spoiled with brightly coloured playschool wires will go by colour.

How long before some bright spark instructor installs paint dabs beside cracks to help his charges select the correct gear?

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 TobyA 02 Nov 2024
In reply to Robert Durran:

The colour on newer nuts doesn't last very long, plus a bit like climbing wall holds, those of us who are colour blind can never really work out which colour is which anyway!

 FactorXXX 03 Nov 2024
In reply to Robert Durran:

I just look at the placement and roughly know what gear is best suited.
No system involved regarding colour coding, etc. as that would mean having to remember what colours correspond to what size, etc.
By far easier, is to to look at the placement, decide which bunch of wires on a krab is most likely to fit and then fine tune it once you've got that krab in your hand.  

 alan moore 03 Nov 2024
In reply to Robert Durran:

All my wires are grey, so colour choice is not an option.

A visual person normally, I do have a mental image of their number (1 to 7 at least) when I select one.

OP Robert Durran 03 Nov 2024
In reply to FactorXXX:

> I just look at the placement and roughly know what gear is best suited.

> No system involved regarding colour coding, etc. as that would mean having to remember what colours correspond to what size, etc.

> By far easier, is to to look at the placement, decide which bunch of wires on a krab is most likely to fit and then fine tune it once you've got that krab in your hand.  

So you select by size then (first option).

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OP Robert Durran 03 Nov 2024
In reply to alan moore:

> All my wires are grey, so colour choice is not an option.

> A visual person normally, I do have a mental image of their number (1 to 7 at least) when I select one.

So size or number?

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OP Robert Durran 03 Nov 2024
In reply to TobyA:

> The colour on newer nuts doesn't last very long, plus a bit like climbing wall holds, those of us who are colour blind can never really work out which colour is which anyway!

So how do you select?

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OP Robert Durran 03 Nov 2024

The "Intuition and experience - Correct nut selection just happens" option that has been added must be based on something. It can't "just happen". Subconsciously at least something must be linking the slot with the correct nut, presumably how it was done consciously when less experienced.

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OP Robert Durran 03 Nov 2024
In reply to Ennerdaleblonde:

> I suspect this is an age thing.

> The elderly, brought up on machine nuts will go by size.

> The more mature of us born with a silver rock in our mouths will go by number.

> The youngsters spoiled with brightly coloured playschool wires will go by colour.

But between "the elderly" and "the mature" are those of us who started climbing on WC Rocks colour coded by the plastic bit wrapped round the wires. As a colour person, the later colourless ones were a real problem. I had to use insulating tape to colour my newer Rocks and continue to do so to this day. So I now still use insulating tape on all my rocks based as closely as possible on the original 80's colours, ignoring the colour of the more recent nuts. This makes my rack incompatible with any of my partners who go by colour.

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 alan moore 03 Nov 2024
In reply to Robert Durran:

Number.

OP Robert Durran 03 Nov 2024
In reply to alan moore:

I'm actually surprised that anyone does it genuinely by number since it is so hard to read the numbers on the grey plastic bit. 

I wonder whether some people look at the slot, think, say, "that's a 4", then know what colour a four is and go for that colour on their rack. So use a combination of colour and number (should probably be another voting option).

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 TobyA 03 Nov 2024
In reply to Robert Durran:

> So how do you select?

You pick the one that is going to be the best size and shape for the slot. Oddly I rarely get nut size wrong on first go but regularly still get cam size wrong first try - despite a bit over 30 years of having some and using them regularly. 

OP Robert Durran 03 Nov 2024
In reply to TobyA:

> You pick the one that is going to be the best size and shape for the slot.

Size then!

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 TobyA 03 Nov 2024
In reply to Robert Durran:

> I wonder whether some people look at the slot, think, say, "that's a 4", then know what colour a four is and go for that colour on their rack. So use a combination of colour and number (should probably be another voting option).

I can make a pretty accurate guess of what number a nut is just by looking at it's size - with DMM Wallnuts at least which is what I've always used. I could probably guess with Rocks though as well. But I still think I just go from size of the slot to size of the nut. Colour seems like having to consciously translate something into another language rather than just "knowing" the word in a second language. 

OP Robert Durran 03 Nov 2024
In reply to TobyA:

I suspect that many of those who select by size or colour are really saying which is like a first language and which is like a second language.

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 alan moore 03 Nov 2024
In reply to Robert Durran:

> I'm actually surprised that anyone does it genuinely by number since it is so hard to read the numbers on the grey plastic bit. 

No, if I look at a 4 sized slot, I pick the 4 sized nut. In the minds eye there's a big number 4 on it. Although I do remember that both the Walnut and the Rock were once pink....

 McHeath 03 Nov 2024
In reply to Robert Durran:

I’m really bad at selecting the correct nut. I just grab the bunch, try to work out which will fit, then take one two numbers smaller and it‘s usually perfect.

OP Robert Durran 03 Nov 2024
In reply to alan moore:

> No, if I look at a 4 sized slot, I pick the 4 sized nut. In the minds eye there's a big number 4 on it.

But surely then your mind's eye must actually be doing by size and then imprinting the number on it. Or something like that.

> Although I do remember that both the Walnut and the Rock were once pink....

I always thought of it as red (though it has come out rather pink in the photo). And one of the colours retained from the original as my own insulting tape colour coding system has evolved from it over the last forty years.

Edit: Just looked up the latest colours and I see a 6 is now red and a 5 is blue rather than a 3 (I mean how could a blue be anything other than a 3!) What a mess!

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 MischaHY 04 Nov 2024
In reply to Robert Durran:

Personally I choose gear size based on the relation of wire/cam size to the relevant jam that would fit. For example with my anatomy on cams tight fingers is silver, baggy fingers is purple, ringlock is green etc. 

 galpinos 04 Nov 2024
In reply to Robert Durran:

> I'm actually surprised that anyone does it genuinely by number since it is so hard to read the numbers on the grey plastic bit. 

> I wonder whether some people look at the slot, think, say, "that's a 4", then know what colour a four is and go for that colour on their rack. So use a combination of colour and number (should probably be another voting option).

I said by size, as I started pre anodized nuts and I think in sizes. However, you are spot on in your second sentence, I look at the crack. think that needs a No. 5, I know the No. 5 is blue so grab the blue nut. I never think, "that needs a blue nut" and if someone said, "What nut did you need for the crux?" I'd say "a No. 4", not "Gold".

(I also find it annoying that the colour progression is different for cams and nuts but I think that might just be me......)

 Mike-W-99 04 Nov 2024
In reply to Ennerdaleblonde:

> How long before some bright spark instructor installs paint dabs beside cracks to help his charges select the correct gear?

I've done one route in the dolomites which had all the gear placements marked with paint.

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 Howard J 04 Nov 2024
In reply to Robert Durran:

I look at the placement and decide whether to go for the small, medium or large bunch of nuts. I then look at the bunch and decide which is likely to be the best fit. I neither know nor care what number it is or what colour (they're mostly worn off anyway) so it's no good asking me later what I used.

In reply to Mike-W-99:

Not long then

 CantClimbTom 04 Nov 2024
In reply to Mike-W-99:

Wondering if I can downvote to signal disapproval/horror of the painting (which I do), or whether that'd be interpreted as disapproving your post (which I don't). How do these voting buttons work?

OP Robert Durran 04 Nov 2024
In reply to MischaHY:

> Personally I choose gear size based on the relation of wire/cam size to the relevant jam that would fit. For example with my anatomy on cams tight fingers is silver, baggy fingers is purple, ringlock is green etc. 

But what part of your anatomy do you jam in a Rock 1 size crack?

OP Robert Durran 04 Nov 2024
In reply to CantClimbTom:

> How do these voting buttons work?

They don't (at least the down vote one doesn't).

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OP Robert Durran 04 Nov 2024
In reply to galpinos:

> I said by size, as I started pre anodized nuts and I think in sizes. However, you are spot on in your second sentence, I look at the crack. think that needs a No. 5, I know the No. 5 is blue so grab the blue nut. 

In that case it was not clear what I meant by doing it by size. I meant that one would select a nut that looked the right size for the crack without thinking in terms of number or colour at all. Like Howard J says he does it.

 galpinos 04 Nov 2024
In reply to Robert Durran:

> In that case it was not clear what I meant by doing it by size. I meant that one would select a nut that looked the right size for the crack without thinking in terms of number or colour at all. Like Howard J says he does it.

I just looked and it turns out I voted by number! So you were clear.....

 Dave B 04 Nov 2024
In reply to Robert Durran:

I look in my nut sack like Richard Osman

https://www.reddit.com/user/pfobwpfo/comments/18ohqi2/nuts/

Then select the one that looks about right.

 Jimbo C 04 Nov 2024
In reply to Robert Durran:

I look at the slot and think "that's about a number 5", then I take the my krab of small wires off my harness, find the blue one and try it. About 50% of the time it fits.


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