In reply to Etak:
> the number of folks- men or women - who have ever climber E8 ground up must be countable on one hand (and maybe one with a few fingers missing)?
Probably more than 2 hands worth now I would have thought? - there's all those grit E8/9 things that have been done flash/onsight/groundup (team America, the guys who did Parthian shot ground up, Pearson, Ryan pasquil isn't it who seems pretty handy at hard grit flashes, plus others I've doubtless forgotten) plus the E8s onsighted elsewhere (birkett on that one at dove and at nesscliff), now this one (Pearson, Caroline, didn't Pete robins do it too?)