This topic has been archived, and won't accept reply postings.
Ok chaps a new thread is required as the last one was confusing me
cryptic clues for pop groups or singers
e.g Press a young lady = Iron Maiden
first clue:
The spanish Heavyweight in WC
cryptic clues for pop groups or singers
e.g Press a young lady = Iron Maiden
first clue:
The spanish Heavyweight in WC
In reply to Pilch:
Elton John
Elton John
In reply to Removed User:
cool thanks my work is done
here's another just for fun:
Wild road evangelists
cool thanks my work is done
here's another just for fun:
Wild road evangelists
In reply to Tony the Blade:
Or 'you be forty'
Or 'you be forty'
In reply to Removed User:
is it jedward?
is it jedward?
In reply to mikeryder:
Have another stab. It's cryptic.
Have another stab. It's cryptic.
In reply to Tony the Blade:
Peter and the Test Tube Babies of course!
(took 20 seconds and I've never heard a note of their music)
Existence devoid of edifice
bit of an obscure band though
Peter and the Test Tube Babies of course!
(took 20 seconds and I've never heard a note of their music)
Existence devoid of edifice
bit of an obscure band though
In reply to Blue Straggler:
I'm gonna sleep on this - it's my bedtime
> (In reply to Tony the Blade)
>
> Peter and the Test Tube Babies of course!
> (took 20 seconds and I've never heard a note of their music)
>
> Existence devoid of edifice
>
> bit of an obscure band though
>
> Peter and the Test Tube Babies of course!
> (took 20 seconds and I've never heard a note of their music)
>
> Existence devoid of edifice
>
> bit of an obscure band though
I'm gonna sleep on this - it's my bedtime
In reply to Daithi O Murachu:
Sounds like Andy Stuart (Stewart?) and Co, though I wouldn't describe them as a band.
Sounds like Andy Stuart (Stewart?) and Co, though I wouldn't describe them as a band.
In reply to Ian Parsons:
their a well known band, they were mistakenly thought to have a pasion for darts
their a well known band, they were mistakenly thought to have a pasion for darts
In reply to Ian Parsons:
passion , sorry
no not white Heather Club band.
they were a big band several top tens, and 2 no 1s
passion , sorry
no not white Heather Club band.
they were a big band several top tens, and 2 no 1s
In reply to Daithi O Murachu:
That was my earlier point - no mention of "band"; The White Heather Club with Andy Stuart (or Stewart? etc), Scottish Dancing saturday nights on the BBC - or maybe sundays - 1960s. Probably before your time, but sadly not mine!
> (In reply to Ian Parsons)
> no not white Heather Club band.
That was my earlier point - no mention of "band"; The White Heather Club with Andy Stuart (or Stewart? etc), Scottish Dancing saturday nights on the BBC - or maybe sundays - 1960s. Probably before your time, but sadly not mine!
In reply to Daithi O Murachu:
Thought the clue was to the band, not the song - Dexy's Midnight Runners?
Thought the clue was to the band, not the song - Dexy's Midnight Runners?
In reply to Ian Parsons:
song / band, one leads to the other
well done
> (In reply to Daithi O Murachu)
>
> Thought the clue was to the band, not the song - Dexy's Midnight Runners?
>
> Thought the clue was to the band, not the song - Dexy's Midnight Runners?
song / band, one leads to the other
well done
In reply to Tony the Blade:
Not alone ranger with a bursting fillet.
Not alone ranger with a bursting fillet.
In reply to Al Evans:
10,000 maniacs?
10,000 maniacs?
In reply to Dom Whillans: Nope, ten more attempts and I'll post another clue.
In reply to Al Evans: OK got bored waiting here is another clue.
Tommy Bolin (Deep Purple, briefly, he died at 25)
Tommy Bolin (Deep Purple, briefly, he died at 25)
In reply to Al Evans:
I have no idea...
Before your last clue I was thinking hootie and the blowfish or the Sensational Alex Harvey Band.
I have no idea...
Before your last clue I was thinking hootie and the blowfish or the Sensational Alex Harvey Band.
In reply to Tony the Blade: I have a massive clue to give eventually, but a big one is if the Lone Ranger was not alone, who was he with?
In reply to Al Evans:
Tonto's Expanding Head Band
Tonto's Expanding Head Band
In reply to Dom Whillans: Well I'll let you have it, because thats what they changed their name to, It was Tonto's Exploding Head Band, they were some of the music tracks on 'Break on Through', the climbing film about Naked Edge, Tommy Bolin left and went to Deep Puple.
In reply to Al Evans:
wahey! i'll carry on with another easy one (!) then... a simian ovum in a moscow park?
wahey! i'll carry on with another easy one (!) then... a simian ovum in a moscow park?
In reply to EddInaBox:
In the absence of confirmation I shall assume I am right and continue with:
Moth's photo damns non-revolutionary detectives? (8,5)
In the absence of confirmation I shall assume I am right and continue with:
Moth's photo damns non-revolutionary detectives? (8,5)
In reply to EddInaBox:
Stealers Wheel. (it fits, anyway)
Stealers Wheel. (it fits, anyway)
In reply to EddInaBox:
Thompson Twins
Thompson Twins
In reply to EddInaBox:
sorry mate, been trying to sort an issue out. you were of course correct (but then you knew that )
sorry mate, been trying to sort an issue out. you were of course correct (but then you knew that )
Seductress, having a wide field of view
In reply to Removed User:
It fits the spaces, but not the anagram, but then again because I'm a bit sneaky the anagram doesn't fit the spaces either!
It fits the spaces, but not the anagram, but then again because I'm a bit sneaky the anagram doesn't fit the spaces either!
In reply to Blue Straggler:
Transvision Vamp....
Try an easy one.
Rabbit nightwear
> Seductress, having a wide field of view
Transvision Vamp....
Try an easy one.
Rabbit nightwear
In reply to Martin76:
PJ & Duncan
> (In reply to Blue Straggler)
> [...]
>
> Transvision Vamp....
>
> Try an easy one.
>
> Rabbit nightwear
> [...]
>
> Transvision Vamp....
>
> Try an easy one.
>
> Rabbit nightwear
PJ & Duncan
In reply to Pilch: Vagina feline barbies.
In reply to EddInaBox: WRONG! </Kevin Spacey>
> (In reply to Blackadder)
>
> UB40, we've already had that.
>
> UB40, we've already had that.
In reply to EddInaBox
Ssshh. The UB40 spy plane remains top secret, currently hovering over the middle east trying to detect appalling cover versions of reggae classics.
In reply to Blackadder:
Sell The Pogues, buy pipes and Semtex.
(To everyone else, this is not a cryptic clue)
Sell The Pogues, buy pipes and Semtex.
(To everyone else, this is not a cryptic clue)
In reply to EddInaBox:
*gets arrested for planning a terrorist attack and is heard yelling "But EddInaBox told me to do it!" as he's dragged away*
> Sell The Pogues, buy pipes and Semtex.
*gets arrested for planning a terrorist attack and is heard yelling "But EddInaBox told me to do it!" as he's dragged away*
In reply to Pilch:
alphaville and I say again:
Heed wonky trolls! (3,4,5)
(Easy but properly Ximinean)
alphaville and I say again:
Heed wonky trolls! (3,4,5)
(Easy but properly Ximinean)
In reply to Tony the Blade:
Nope (assuming that was in response to The Cradle of Liberty).
> (In reply to Blackadder)
>
> First French town
>
> First French town
Nope (assuming that was in response to The Cradle of Liberty).
In reply to Pilch:
get in!
and for the last time and for the cruciverbalists:
heed wonky trolls! (3,4,5)
get in!
and for the last time and for the cruciverbalists:
heed wonky trolls! (3,4,5)
In reply to johnjohn:
Would have gone for Lostprophets on this were it not for the obvious letter problems!
Would have gone for Lostprophets on this were it not for the obvious letter problems!
In reply to Tony the Blade:
was that at me? I've given word lengths as 3, 4, 5 and this is an honest ximinean crossword clue for a band you'll have heard of. As it's getting late 'wonky' might just be an anagram signifier...
was that at me? I've given word lengths as 3, 4, 5 and this is an honest ximinean crossword clue for a band you'll have heard of. As it's getting late 'wonky' might just be an anagram signifier...
In reply to Blue Straggler:
ah feck sorry sorry sorry: word length should have read 3,3,4,5
so if wonky signifies an anagram, you'll see the entire clue is made up of exactly the right number of letters... (I was quite proud of it when it came to me earlier, rather sadly)
ah feck sorry sorry sorry: word length should have read 3,3,4,5
so if wonky signifies an anagram, you'll see the entire clue is made up of exactly the right number of letters... (I was quite proud of it when it came to me earlier, rather sadly)
In reply to johnjohn:
So you mislead on two counts, the number of words/letters, and the claim to be Ximenean, surely the anagram code word should not be included in the anagram.
So you mislead on two counts, the number of words/letters, and the claim to be Ximenean, surely the anagram code word should not be included in the anagram.
In reply to EddInaBox:
there you'd be wrong. Ximines does allow whole clue anagrams. These tend to be difficult to construct and therefore rare.
but I'm due a tongue lashing for giving you the wrong word number for sure
there you'd be wrong. Ximines does allow whole clue anagrams. These tend to be difficult to construct and therefore rare.
but I'm due a tongue lashing for giving you the wrong word number for sure
In reply to johnjohn:
OK then, you mislead on two counts, the number of words/letters, and the claim that I will have heard of them.
OK then, you mislead on two counts, the number of words/letters, and the claim that I will have heard of them.
In reply to metal arms:
alisha's attic?
alisha's attic?
In reply to metal arms:
In charge of a vessel adding fermented grain's gas, we are told out right. (7, 9)
In charge of a vessel adding fermented grain's gas, we are told out right. (7, 9)
In reply to EddInaBox: Captain Beefheart?
In reply to dtormey and eddinabox:
someone explain to a dullard how you got beefheart from that clue?
someone explain to a dullard how you got beefheart from that clue?
In reply to Dom Whillans:
beer minus r and sounds like fart. Very good clue.
I've gotta do some work in the next 15 mins argh
article twice contained rug penis (3,3)
beer minus r and sounds like fart. Very good clue.
I've gotta do some work in the next 15 mins argh
article twice contained rug penis (3,3)
In reply to EddInaBox:
OK, i can see that now, but what about the "we are told out right" bit? cryptic crossword clues have always mangled my brain, i guess i'm wired differently and haven't developed the skills...
OK, i can see that now, but what about the "we are told out right" bit? cryptic crossword clues have always mangled my brain, i guess i'm wired differently and haven't developed the skills...
In reply to Dom Whillans:
"We are told" means sounds like, "out right" means take away the ‘R’ which is short for right, like ‘L’ would be short for left.
"We are told" means sounds like, "out right" means take away the ‘R’ which is short for right, like ‘L’ would be short for left.
In reply to johnjohn:
The The (from "article twice" and the letter count)
I don't know how the rest fits but I haven't had to think about it because The The seemed obvious. (now you'll tell me it's not that!)
> (In reply to Dom Whillans)
>
> that loses you the 'r'
>
> anyway
>
> "article twice contained rug penis (3,3)"
>
> that loses you the 'r'
>
> anyway
>
> "article twice contained rug penis (3,3)"
The The (from "article twice" and the letter count)
I don't know how the rest fits but I haven't had to think about it because The The seemed obvious. (now you'll tell me it's not that!)
In reply to johnjohn:
And I will add an even better tip, have a clue ready before you solve, or we'll end up with clues of the caliber of ‘spy plane’.
And I will add an even better tip, have a clue ready before you solve, or we'll end up with clues of the caliber of ‘spy plane’.
In reply to EddInaBox:
'spy plane' is just a VDiff to Beefheart's E5; they're just as valid surely?
dom (currently struggling at VS level)
'spy plane' is just a VDiff to Beefheart's E5; they're just as valid surely?
dom (currently struggling at VS level)
In reply to Dom Whillans:
Spy plane is more of a Stannah stairlift, and no way is Beefheart E5, it was solved in about four minutes.
Spy plane is more of a Stannah stairlift, and no way is Beefheart E5, it was solved in about four minutes.
In reply to Dom Whillans:
Sorry Dom, I don't do cryptic but I got Captain Beefheart before I'd even read to the end of the clue! If "spy plane" is V Diff, Captain Beefheart's clue is low HS at most
Sorry Dom, I don't do cryptic but I got Captain Beefheart before I'd even read to the end of the clue! If "spy plane" is V Diff, Captain Beefheart's clue is low HS at most
I'll assume The The is correct and offer
Dahlian brat; powder remedy
(fairly easy)
I'll be away from the computer for an hour or so, but once someone gets this it should be pretty obvious whether it's right or wrong, so I'll trust everyone to play fair
Dahlian brat; powder remedy
(fairly easy)
I'll be away from the computer for an hour or so, but once someone gets this it should be pretty obvious whether it's right or wrong, so I'll trust everyone to play fair
In reply to Blue Straggler:
that would explain my ridiculous predicament on creag dhu wall then...
> (In reply to Dom Whillans)
>
> Sorry Dom, I don't do cryptic but I got Captain Beefheart before I'd even read to the end of the clue! If "spy plane" is V Diff, Captain Beefheart's clue is low HS at most
>
> Sorry Dom, I don't do cryptic but I got Captain Beefheart before I'd even read to the end of the clue! If "spy plane" is V Diff, Captain Beefheart's clue is low HS at most
that would explain my ridiculous predicament on creag dhu wall then...
In reply to Blue Straggler:
correct!
(The band 'The The' contained - in fact pretty much consisted of Matt Johnson hence rug penis. If I'd've prepared this in advance I'd've clued it more clevererely, with a sounds like and reversing the word order because penis rug sounds much better now I think about it. Merkin references would have been too obscure.)
> (In reply to johnjohn)
> [...]
>
> The The (from "article twice" and the letter count)
> I don't know how the rest fits but I haven't had to think about it because The The seemed obvious. (now you'll tell me it's not that!)
> [...]
>
> The The (from "article twice" and the letter count)
> I don't know how the rest fits but I haven't had to think about it because The The seemed obvious. (now you'll tell me it's not that!)
correct!
(The band 'The The' contained - in fact pretty much consisted of Matt Johnson hence rug penis. If I'd've prepared this in advance I'd've clued it more clevererely, with a sounds like and reversing the word order because penis rug sounds much better now I think about it. Merkin references would have been too obscure.)
In reply to Pilch:
Via web, Dido evily sold the world!
Via web, Dido evily sold the world!
In reply to kevin stephens:
Sorry! butted in.
Sorry! butted in.
In reply to kevin stephens:
No. Here's the clue again in case it all got mixed up in the intervening posts:
Dahlian brat; powder remedy
> (In reply to Blue Straggler)
>
> Fat boy slim?
>
> Fat boy slim?
No. Here's the clue again in case it all got mixed up in the intervening posts:
Dahlian brat; powder remedy
In reply to Tony the Blade:
Dahlian.
Of or pertaining to a Dahl.
> (In reply to Blue Straggler)
>
> Are you sure about dahlian? It shouldn't be Dalian?
>
> Are you sure about dahlian? It shouldn't be Dalian?
Dahlian.
Of or pertaining to a Dahl.
In reply to Blue Straggler:
stab in the dark here - sophie ellis bextor?
stab in the dark here - sophie ellis bextor?
In reply to johnjohn:
i can't solve them i can only set them.
if it too hard for everyone.
its only a game.
i can't solve them i can only set them.
if it too hard for everyone.
its only a game.
In reply to Tony the Blade:
Yes
Sorry, I thought it was easy, clearly not! I know they are maybe not that famous a band but I;'d hoped the clues would spell it out, and people would vaguely recall that there'd been a band of this name in the 90s
Yes
Sorry, I thought it was easy, clearly not! I know they are maybe not that famous a band but I;'d hoped the clues would spell it out, and people would vaguely recall that there'd been a band of this name in the 90s
In reply to Blue Straggler:
Got there in the end, try this...
22nd letter with Sodium and upset sibling
Got there in the end, try this...
22nd letter with Sodium and upset sibling
In reply to Tony the Blade: cheers but I'll leave it for someone else. too distracting for me!
In reply to Blue Straggler:
ok a clue: It's not the Roman alphabet.
With Google as your friend it should now be easier.
ok a clue: It's not the Roman alphabet.
With Google as your friend it should now be easier.
In reply to Tony the Blade:
I have real work to do! Stop it with your p-h-i-n-a-s-i-s-t-e-r anagrams
I have real work to do! Stop it with your p-h-i-n-a-s-i-s-t-e-r anagrams
In reply to Blue Straggler and Tony the Blade:
Your clues and answers are too obscure and boring, mine was more fun - I've got more interesting things to do
Your clues and answers are too obscure and boring, mine was more fun - I've got more interesting things to do
In reply to kevin stephens:
Veruca Salt was the little brattish girl in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. That's not obscure, or boring!
Veruca Salt was the little brattish girl in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. That's not obscure, or boring!
In reply to Blue Straggler:
it is when the answer's meant to be a "pop group", ie a band playing popular music. How bloddy popular were the band of the same name?
it is when the answer's meant to be a "pop group", ie a band playing popular music. How bloddy popular were the band of the same name?
In reply to kevin stephens:
Quite a lot of people turned out, at an unlikely hour (1pm I think) to see Veruca Salt at Glastonbury 1995. They looked popular to me. Didn't you have more fun things to do?
Quite a lot of people turned out, at an unlikely hour (1pm I think) to see Veruca Salt at Glastonbury 1995. They looked popular to me. Didn't you have more fun things to do?
In reply to kevin stephens:
Here's what Wiki has to say about my last choice... Their output was pop music similar in style to that of New Wave but with strong similarities to the post-punk movement of the early 1980s, namely inclusion of a broader range of musical influences and occasional flirtation with political commentary. Throughout their career, Blankety Blank has seen moderate success in the United Kingdom with ten hit singles between August 1982 and January 1987 and six albums, as well as commercial success in Western Europe, Australia and the Americas.
I'd call that a pretty mainstream 'pop' band.
Happen I just made it too damn hard.
> (In reply to Blue Straggler)
>
> it is when the answer's meant to be a "pop group", ie a band playing popular music. How bloddy popular were the band of the same name?
>
> it is when the answer's meant to be a "pop group", ie a band playing popular music. How bloddy popular were the band of the same name?
Here's what Wiki has to say about my last choice... Their output was pop music similar in style to that of New Wave but with strong similarities to the post-punk movement of the early 1980s, namely inclusion of a broader range of musical influences and occasional flirtation with political commentary. Throughout their career, Blankety Blank has seen moderate success in the United Kingdom with ten hit singles between August 1982 and January 1987 and six albums, as well as commercial success in Western Europe, Australia and the Americas.
I'd call that a pretty mainstream 'pop' band.
Happen I just made it too damn hard.
In reply to Blue Straggler:
No anagrams mate.
> (In reply to Tony the Blade)
>
> I have real work to do! Stop it with your p-h-i-n-a-s-i-s-t-e-r anagrams
>
> I have real work to do! Stop it with your p-h-i-n-a-s-i-s-t-e-r anagrams
No anagrams mate.
In reply to Tony the Blade:
the word "upset" in a cryptic clue means "there's an anagram here" doesn't it? anyway. back to my work
the word "upset" in a cryptic clue means "there's an anagram here" doesn't it? anyway. back to my work
In reply to Blue Straggler:
22nd letter of the ancient Greek alphabet is Chi, and I would give the answer but I don't have a clue up my sleeve to carry on with ... yet.
22nd letter of the ancient Greek alphabet is Chi, and I would give the answer but I don't have a clue up my sleeve to carry on with ... yet.
In reply to EddInaBox:
China Crisis
Very very weirdly they came to mind almost instantly when I first read the clue, before knowing it wasn't the Roman alphabet, before knowing it wasn't an anagram and before seeing the letter count. Just a random coincidence. I dismissed it.
China Crisis
Very very weirdly they came to mind almost instantly when I first read the clue, before knowing it wasn't the Roman alphabet, before knowing it wasn't an anagram and before seeing the letter count. Just a random coincidence. I dismissed it.
and Kevin, they must be a pop group because I've known of their existence for over 20 years without knowingly heard their music, so they must have garnered some kind of ubiquity.
wait there...
wait there...
Austen's Bennett declined pies.
In reply to EddInaBox:
Correct of course. I set it up to be easy. Time for my bed now, I'll ponder yours over morning coffee if I've not been beaten to it. Looks horrendous!
Correct of course. I set it up to be easy. Time for my bed now, I'll ponder yours over morning coffee if I've not been beaten to it. Looks horrendous!
In reply to Blue Straggler:
Only easy if you know your Austen, until I cheated and used Google I was trying to figure out whether I was looking for Alan, Tony, Hywel or Gordon.
I reckon my current one is actually fairly easy, but my next one is an absolute corker.
Only easy if you know your Austen, until I cheated and used Google I was trying to figure out whether I was looking for Alan, Tony, Hywel or Gordon.
I reckon my current one is actually fairly easy, but my next one is an absolute corker.
In reply to EddInaBox: Tin Machine?
In reply to dtormey: fairly certain that I'm right, so here's the next one:
a french friend, we are told, is masculine (5, 4)
a french friend, we are told, is masculine (5, 4)
In reply to Blue Straggler:
Correct...
22nd Greek letter: Chi
Symbol for Sodium: Na
Upset: Cry (Cri)
Sibling: Sister (Sis)
> (In reply to EddInaBox)
> China Crisis
>
> Very very weirdly they came to mind almost instantly when I first read the clue, before knowing it wasn't the Roman alphabet, before knowing it wasn't an anagram and before seeing the letter count. Just a random coincidence. I dismissed it.
> China Crisis
>
> Very very weirdly they came to mind almost instantly when I first read the clue, before knowing it wasn't the Roman alphabet, before knowing it wasn't an anagram and before seeing the letter count. Just a random coincidence. I dismissed it.
Correct...
22nd Greek letter: Chi
Symbol for Sodium: Na
Upset: Cry (Cri)
Sibling: Sister (Sis)
In reply to Tony the Blade:
french article = la. remove from latin gives you tin. even i got that straight off!
french article = la. remove from latin gives you tin. even i got that straight off!
In reply to Dom Whillans: yep
In reply to dtormey:
get in.
not standing not sitting, but thinking quite deeply. with a computer, Jay's letter and a beast of burden.
probably VDiff at best.
get in.
not standing not sitting, but thinking quite deeply. with a computer, Jay's letter and a beast of burden.
probably VDiff at best.
In reply to EddInaBox:
Goog grief. Expecting this lot, in 2009, to get a clue involving Hywel Bennett, would really have been pushing it.
Spookily before I decided on Thin Lizzy, I had thought about doing a clue for Tin Machine!
Goog grief. Expecting this lot, in 2009, to get a clue involving Hywel Bennett, would really have been pushing it.
Spookily before I decided on Thin Lizzy, I had thought about doing a clue for Tin Machine!
Good grief. Not Goog grief.
In reply to Dom Whillans:
not heard anything by Cringebroodmuse and the PCcodeasses for quite a while.
Please at least give the letter count...
not heard anything by Cringebroodmuse and the PCcodeasses for quite a while.
Please at least give the letter count...
In reply to johnjohn: is it muse? (mostly guess work this, arising from johnjohn's comment)
In reply to Tony the Blade: Ok, I haven't got one for a while, but going to cheat and post anyhow
Old girl gets into an airplane with compacted carbon
easy.
Old girl gets into an airplane with compacted carbon
easy.
In reply to Al Evans: Sorry this is a clue to the track that will lead you to the band.
In reply to Dom Whillans: Neil Young and Crazy Horse?
In reply to Al Evans: Beatles?
In reply to dtormey:
Ok, you got it, and the answer to the clue was?
> (In reply to Al Evans) Beatles?
Ok, you got it, and the answer to the clue was?
In reply to Al Evans: And why the old girl.
In reply to Al Evans: Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds, not sure why the girl was old, maybe because the muse recently died?
anyway, here's one:
eddie's sport out right with preserve, we are told, is best on an Irish Boxing Day (6, 7)
anyway, here's one:
eddie's sport out right with preserve, we are told, is best on an Irish Boxing Day (6, 7)
In reply to dtormey:
In reply to Dom Whillans: sweet! great clue!
In reply to dtormey: Lucy was the name of the earliest related to human fossil ever found, the archeological team was listening to LITSWD around the campfire, the next day she was called Lucy. Fact.
In reply to Al Evans: very good! vaguely aware of Lucy, but didn't know how she got her name
In reply to Dom Whillans: yep
In reply to Dom Whillans:
bloody hell clever bastard! (Couldn't get Shakin' to fit.)
they've just held the eddies as well at massive sunset, but I thought not a reference for a climbing forum. Confused by the n for m though.
bloody hell clever bastard! (Couldn't get Shakin' to fit.)
they've just held the eddies as well at massive sunset, but I thought not a reference for a climbing forum. Confused by the n for m though.
In reply to dtormey:
are bits of Tefal's baby being censored? 6,4
are bits of Tefal's baby being censored? 6,4
In reply to johnjohn:
Dom seems to think that n is a homonym for m ("we are told" suggests homonym, yes?)
> Confused by the n for m though.
Dom seems to think that n is a homonym for m ("we are told" suggests homonym, yes?)
In reply to Blue Straggler:
...it's mot though is it?
(Just an excuse. I need more coffee frankly. My crossword neurons don't start to splutter feebly into life until later in the afternoon.)
...it's mot though is it?
(Just an excuse. I need more coffee frankly. My crossword neurons don't start to splutter feebly into life until later in the afternoon.)
In reply to Blue Straggler:
It's not fair to blame Dom for that, and not really necessary, there are plenty of other things that are entirely his fault.
It's not fair to blame Dom for that, and not really necessary, there are plenty of other things that are entirely his fault.
In reply to EddInaBox:
only too true.
> (In reply to Blue Straggler)
>
> It's not fair to blame Dom for that, and not really necessary, there are plenty of other things that are entirely his fault.
>
> It's not fair to blame Dom for that, and not really necessary, there are plenty of other things that are entirely his fault.
only too true.
In reply to Blue Straggler:
That'd be my fault, I understood that "we are told" means "sounds like" (which still might be stretching it for jan and jam, but anyway!)
> (In reply to johnjohn)
> [...]
>
> Dom seems to think that n is a homonym for m ("we are told" suggests homonym, yes?)
> [...]
>
> Dom seems to think that n is a homonym for m ("we are told" suggests homonym, yes?)
That'd be my fault, I understood that "we are told" means "sounds like" (which still might be stretching it for jan and jam, but anyway!)
In reply to Blue Straggler:
i thought "we are told" was more "sounds like" than "homonym".
i'm obviously doing better than yesterday though, i thank your goodselves and a cryptic crossword hints article from the guardian.
i thought "we are told" was more "sounds like" than "homonym".
i'm obviously doing better than yesterday though, i thank your goodselves and a cryptic crossword hints article from the guardian.
In reply to EddInaBox:
stop moaning and get on with solving...
stop moaning and get on with solving...
In reply to Dom Whillans:
Sorry Dom, obviously it was dtormey's clue. This stuff has joggled my little brain, hence my confusion
Sorry Dom, obviously it was dtormey's clue. This stuff has joggled my little brain, hence my confusion
In reply to Dom Whillans:
string band?
(having been reduced to guessing and pedantry I'm now in the right condition to do some work.)
string band?
(having been reduced to guessing and pedantry I'm now in the right condition to do some work.)
In reply to johnjohn:
it's good, but it's not right.
it's good, but it's not right.
In reply to Dom Whillans:
Been waiting for this all along, as it is a bit like Catchphrase, this.
"Say whit ya seee"
"A washed-up rubbish Irish 'comic' slumming it on a gameshow, Roy"
> (In reply to johnjohn)
> it's good, but it's not right.
> it's good, but it's not right.
Been waiting for this all along, as it is a bit like Catchphrase, this.
"Say whit ya seee"
"A washed-up rubbish Irish 'comic' slumming it on a gameshow, Roy"
In reply to Pursued by a bear:
you have to solve the other one first...
are bits of Tefal's baby being censored? 6,4
i'll give a clue in an hour.
you have to solve the other one first...
are bits of Tefal's baby being censored? 6,4
i'll give a clue in an hour.
In reply to johnjohn: The very first insect?
In reply to Dom Whillans:
actually that was too easy, how about
this alternate fat bobcat first sang about a station south of the river
actually that was too easy, how about
this alternate fat bobcat first sang about a station south of the river
In reply to johnjohn: four letters
In reply to Blue Straggler:
not before I was scratching my head about The Cure and The Kinks though!
not before I was scratching my head about The Cure and The Kinks though!
Bud's buddy sidekicks royalty along with more appealing stalls at the fairground
In reply to johnjohn:
Ah
Well the band is easy when you get it i.e. very famous, but the clue might be a bit devious, but I can't give you a word and letter count really. I'll post help if everyone's stuck, though from 5pm tonight, I won't be online till the morning.
>
>
> Please set a nice easy one...
>
> Please set a nice easy one...
Ah
Well the band is easy when you get it i.e. very famous, but the clue might be a bit devious, but I can't give you a word and letter count really. I'll post help if everyone's stuck, though from 5pm tonight, I won't be online till the morning.
Bud's buddy sidekicks the king, along with stalls & rides at the fairground
makes it a bit easier
makes it a bit easier
In reply to Blue Straggler: Fairground Attraction is too obvious I guess?
In reply to johnjohn: Gasp, my second guess when I got the Buddy context, brilliant.
In reply to Al Evans:
bud abbot's buddy was lou costello, but I was on a Holly tip to start.
Don't have one ready and need to work so if anyone's got a good one the floor's open...
bud abbot's buddy was lou costello, but I was on a Holly tip to start.
Don't have one ready and need to work so if anyone's got a good one the floor's open...
In reply to johnjohn:
Yep. I did make it a bit less cryptic, but well done for the Abbott and Costello spot.
Yep. I did make it a bit less cryptic, but well done for the Abbott and Costello spot.
In reply to johnjohn:
Bah. As soon as you think Buddy Holly, you get Costello. Shoulda said "Bud's mate"
> (In reply to Al Evans)
>
> bud abbot's buddy was lou costello, but I was on a Holly tip to start.
>
> bud abbot's buddy was lou costello, but I was on a Holly tip to start.
Bah. As soon as you think Buddy Holly, you get Costello. Shoulda said "Bud's mate"
In reply to johnjohn:
In that case, here are two, I've tried to make it a bit harder this time but the first is the band the second their best known record, you will have heard of the band although they haven't been hugely successful, and if you get one you'll get the other as confirmation of the answer in case I'm not around:
Sheep, say, gaining a point after friend finishes with degree. (11)
Time inside shagging, belay devices dropping climber from the Lakes living in Edinburgh. (11)
In that case, here are two, I've tried to make it a bit harder this time but the first is the band the second their best known record, you will have heard of the band although they haven't been hugely successful, and if you get one you'll get the other as confirmation of the answer in case I'm not around:
Sheep, say, gaining a point after friend finishes with degree. (11)
Time inside shagging, belay devices dropping climber from the Lakes living in Edinburgh. (11)
In reply to All:
While you all spend your evening bending your intellect to the above stinker, I'm gonna ressurect my own from about a million posts ago, a tea-time quickie compared to the above:
Via web, Dido evilly sold the world!
While you all spend your evening bending your intellect to the above stinker, I'm gonna ressurect my own from about a million posts ago, a tea-time quickie compared to the above:
Via web, Dido evilly sold the world!
In reply to Removed User: how many words & letters?
In reply to Removed User: is it eminem?
In reply to dtormey:
"evilly" signifies anagram
"via web dido" are the ten letters required
"sold the world" hints at the answer. It's a very fair clue.
I'm not supplying the answer as I don't have a clue ready as I'm only turning off my son's laptop. Hazardous exercise that that is.
"evilly" signifies anagram
"via web dido" are the ten letters required
"sold the world" hints at the answer. It's a very fair clue.
I'm not supplying the answer as I don't have a clue ready as I'm only turning off my son's laptop. Hazardous exercise that that is.
In reply to EddInaBox:
Too good, I can't get yours. However, try this, its a little (I think) harder:
Heard to repeatedly attract attention of sibling. (5)
Too good, I can't get yours. However, try this, its a little (I think) harder:
Heard to repeatedly attract attention of sibling. (5)
In reply to EddInaBox:
Afraid not. It's a really well known band.
Afraid not. It's a really well known band.
In reply to Paul035:
Got to be Snoop Dogg. You got mine wrong though.
It's easy if you think about it. Only five letters
Got to be Snoop Dogg. You got mine wrong though.
It's easy if you think about it. Only five letters
In reply to EddInaBox:
Excellent! well done. Still cant get yours though.
Excellent! well done. Still cant get yours though.
In reply to Removed User:
I'm going to start filling in a few letters since I may have made it a bit too tough.
Sheep, say, gaining a point after friend finishes with degree. (11)
Time inside shagging, belay devices dropping climber from the Lakes living in Edinburgh. (11)
- - - - - A - - - - -
- - - - H - - - - - -
I'm going to start filling in a few letters since I may have made it a bit too tough.
Sheep, say, gaining a point after friend finishes with degree. (11)
Time inside shagging, belay devices dropping climber from the Lakes living in Edinburgh. (11)
- - - - - A - - - - -
- - - - H - - - - - -
In reply to EddInaBox:
do you know what? as i was off to bed last night i was wondering whether or not it would be chumbawamba and i reckon your clues have just confirmed it song is tubthumping by the way?
do you know what? as i was off to bed last night i was wondering whether or not it would be chumbawamba and i reckon your clues have just confirmed it song is tubthumping by the way?
In reply to Dom Whillans:
Spot on, was it based on number of letters or did you work out some bits of the clues?.
Spot on, was it based on number of letters or did you work out some bits of the clues?.
In reply to EddInaBox:
bit of both... used the clues mainly to confirm suspicions though, not many bands have 11 letters in (evanescence?). lamb doesn't rhyme unless you pronounce the band's name bizarrely!
you'll have to talk me through the song title; i can see 'humping' but no idea how you put the rest of it together
had me for hours...
bit of both... used the clues mainly to confirm suspicions though, not many bands have 11 letters in (evanescence?). lamb doesn't rhyme unless you pronounce the band's name bizarrely!
you'll have to talk me through the song title; i can see 'humping' but no idea how you put the rest of it together
had me for hours...
In reply to Dom Whillans:
Sheep say - baa
gaining a point - w (compass point)
after friend - Chum
finishes with degree mba
shagging belay devices - tubes humping
time inside - t (insert in above)
dropping climber from the Lakes living in Edinburgh - remove es (http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/profile.php?id=6227)
Sheep say - baa
gaining a point - w (compass point)
after friend - Chum
finishes with degree mba
shagging belay devices - tubes humping
time inside - t (insert in above)
dropping climber from the Lakes living in Edinburgh - remove es (http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/profile.php?id=6227)
In reply to EddInaBox:
very good! i had 'friend finishing degree' - chum ba. 'sheep say' as sounds like another word for sheep - lamb - wamb - 'gaining a' gave me wamba. worked both ways i guess
> (In reply to Dom Whillans)
>
> Sheep say - baa
> gaining a point - w (compass point)
> after friend - Chum
> finishes with degree mba
>
> shagging belay devices - tubes humping
> time inside - t (insert in above)
> dropping climber from the Lakes living in Edinburgh - remove es (http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/profile.php?id=6227)
>
> Sheep say - baa
> gaining a point - w (compass point)
> after friend - Chum
> finishes with degree mba
>
> shagging belay devices - tubes humping
> time inside - t (insert in above)
> dropping climber from the Lakes living in Edinburgh - remove es (http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/profile.php?id=6227)
very good! i had 'friend finishing degree' - chum ba. 'sheep say' as sounds like another word for sheep - lamb - wamb - 'gaining a' gave me wamba. worked both ways i guess
In reply to EddInaBox:
< dropping climber from the Lakes living in Edinburgh - remove es (http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/profile.php?id=6227)>
Wow! That is just too devious for me.
< dropping climber from the Lakes living in Edinburgh - remove es (http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/profile.php?id=6227)>
Wow! That is just too devious for me.
In reply to Blue Straggler:
i need to correct myself... apologies to all, but it's actually
lightweight charleston title holder echoes non-confusion kids
6,3,3,3,5,10
"and the" is right, by way of an apology.
i need to correct myself... apologies to all, but it's actually
lightweight charleston title holder echoes non-confusion kids
6,3,3,3,5,10
"and the" is right, by way of an apology.
In reply to Dom Whillans:
Wamb doesn't sound like lamb, and I try to be exact, but what I would have said if I was going down that avenue is something like ‘Ross mentions young sheep’.
Wamb doesn't sound like lamb, and I try to be exact, but what I would have said if I was going down that avenue is something like ‘Ross mentions young sheep’.
In reply to EddInaBox:
Sounds like Wham! Coulda gone for cottaging adventures on pink candy bar
> (In reply to Dom Whillans)
>
> Wamb doesn't sound like lamb, and I try to be exact, but what I would have said if I was going down that avenue is something like ‘Ross mentions young sheep’.
>
> Wamb doesn't sound like lamb, and I try to be exact, but what I would have said if I was going down that avenue is something like ‘Ross mentions young sheep’.
Sounds like Wham! Coulda gone for cottaging adventures on pink candy bar
In reply to EddInaBox:
ross mentions any age male sheep... 8o)
ross mentions any age male sheep... 8o)
In reply to Dom Whillans:
though as most people apart from the late John Peel, pronounce the "wam" in Chumbawamba as "wum", you could have "Ross yo ho hoes"
though as most people apart from the late John Peel, pronounce the "wam" in Chumbawamba as "wum", you could have "Ross yo ho hoes"
In reply to Dom Whillans:
Does anyone (other than Dom, obviously) have any ideas here, in fact is anyone still reading this thread. Hello, is there anybody there.
> lightweight charleston title holder echoes non-confusion kids
> 6,3,3,3,5,10
> 6,3,3,3,5,10
Does anyone (other than Dom, obviously) have any ideas here, in fact is anyone still reading this thread. Hello, is there anybody there.
In reply to EddInaBox:
i'll give you a hint (scroll down if you want to see it)
"echoes" is an indicator for "confusion"
i'll give you a hint (scroll down if you want to see it)
"echoes" is an indicator for "confusion"
In reply to Dom Whillans:
...so what's 'confusion' a fecking indicator for?
(Echoes ususally means 'read backwards'. Not that I've the ghost of a hint of the beginning of a clue as to how to solve this one. I assume it works on synonyms and an anagram. Is there a definition in there hinting at the identity of the group? Not that there needs to be given these are thematic. I'm trying of bands names that fit and work backwards like 'Billy Boy and the Big Dance Collective' yadda yadda and work backwards. To no avail.)
...so what's 'confusion' a fecking indicator for?
(Echoes ususally means 'read backwards'. Not that I've the ghost of a hint of the beginning of a clue as to how to solve this one. I assume it works on synonyms and an anagram. Is there a definition in there hinting at the identity of the group? Not that there needs to be given these are thematic. I'm trying of bands names that fit and work backwards like 'Billy Boy and the Big Dance Collective' yadda yadda and work backwards. To no avail.)
In reply to johnjohn:
non-confusion... means no "n" in confusion, which then sounds a bit like cold fusion (hence "echoes", which are never as clear as the original word), which then needs decoding to fit the 3,5 part. In truth, i've been a total bastard on this one. obviously you'll kick yourself when you get it and you'll be wanting to kick me all over the shop for ages afterwards.
I'm reminded of a time when I consistently beat a friend at chess because he knew about the game and it's tactics and nuances whereas i just knew how the pieces moved and what i wanted to achieve. He gave up playing me due to the frustration, I think this may be where this clue is headed. anyone else want to throw a different clue in?
non-confusion... means no "n" in confusion, which then sounds a bit like cold fusion (hence "echoes", which are never as clear as the original word), which then needs decoding to fit the 3,5 part. In truth, i've been a total bastard on this one. obviously you'll kick yourself when you get it and you'll be wanting to kick me all over the shop for ages afterwards.
I'm reminded of a time when I consistently beat a friend at chess because he knew about the game and it's tactics and nuances whereas i just knew how the pieces moved and what i wanted to achieve. He gave up playing me due to the frustration, I think this may be where this clue is headed. anyone else want to throw a different clue in?
In reply to Dom Whillans:
There's a word for that in The Meaning of Liff, I forget the word but the definition (it's a verb) is "to beat somebody at a game of skill by playing so badly that none of their clever strategies can ever work". I've done it myself inadvertently, but not consistently.
> I'm reminded of a time when I consistently beat a friend at chess because he knew about the game and it's tactics and nuances whereas i just knew how the pieces moved and what i wanted to achieve.
There's a word for that in The Meaning of Liff, I forget the word but the definition (it's a verb) is "to beat somebody at a game of skill by playing so badly that none of their clever strategies can ever work". I've done it myself inadvertently, but not consistently.
In reply to Pilch:
Just want to say, I'm enjoying this thread because of its digression into a "how to do cryptic crosswords" tutorial! I get the odd clue on cryptics but have never studied the rules; it's nice to get some tips in such an "organic" way rather than getting a book on "how to do cryptic crosswords", and because I am interested in music, and this thread is all about band names, I at least have a reference point. So it's a good primer. Not sure who specifically to thank, so just general thanks to all
Just want to say, I'm enjoying this thread because of its digression into a "how to do cryptic crosswords" tutorial! I get the odd clue on cryptics but have never studied the rules; it's nice to get some tips in such an "organic" way rather than getting a book on "how to do cryptic crosswords", and because I am interested in music, and this thread is all about band names, I at least have a reference point. So it's a good primer. Not sure who specifically to thank, so just general thanks to all
In reply to Dom Whillans:
If Bletchley Park were still going, you'd be in demand (along with EddInaBox). Can you make your clue a bit more daily telegraphish for a knucklehead like me? It's impossible, A mystery, wrapped in an enigma, encased in a puzzle.
> (In reply to johnjohn)
>
< non-confusion... means no "n" in confusion, which then sounds a bit like cold fusion (hence "echoes", which are never as clear as the original word), which then needs decoding to fit the 3,5 part>>
If Bletchley Park were still going, you'd be in demand (along with EddInaBox). Can you make your clue a bit more daily telegraphish for a knucklehead like me? It's impossible, A mystery, wrapped in an enigma, encased in a puzzle.
In reply to Dom Whillans:
I've got it! I don't understand it all but I have definitely got it.
Prince and the New Power Generation.
I've got it! I don't understand it all but I have definitely got it.
Prince and the New Power Generation.
In reply to Dom Whillans: An ordinary man, living in a rural district with other people trying to find things out.
In reply to Dom Whillans:
Annoyingly when I was labouring under the belief it was 6,3,3,5,10 I had thought of Prince and The ????? Revolution. Now if you would kindly explain how ‘lightweight charleston’ gives ‘and the’ I would be grateful.
Annoyingly when I was labouring under the belief it was 6,3,3,5,10 I had thought of Prince and The ????? Revolution. Now if you would kindly explain how ‘lightweight charleston’ gives ‘and the’ I would be grateful.
In reply to EddInaBox:
the "and the" was left out, it would be a given as soon as you had new power generation...
lightweight charleston - take the "ton" off charleston gives you charles, who is the title holder of "prince"...
told you that you'd want to kick me.
the "and the" was left out, it would be a given as soon as you had new power generation...
lightweight charleston - take the "ton" off charleston gives you charles, who is the title holder of "prince"...
told you that you'd want to kick me.
In reply to Al Evans:
country joe and the fish?
country joe and the fish?
In reply to Anybody who hasn't got bored and wandered off:
Eddinabox's not especially helpful, not comprehensive, slightly boring selection of tips for setting cryptic clues.
Cryptic clues, at least in crosswords, should either contain a definition part and a cryptic part, or sometimes two definitions but omit the cryptic part, or as here be themed so the definition part may be omitted if the setter wishes.
Clues should always be grammaticaly correct when read (rather than spoken) as a sentence, a favourite of crossword setters is ‘flower’ which will make sense in the whole clue if taken to mean flower as in daisy or chrysanthemum, but when taken crypticaly it will actually refer to a river, in the sense that a river is something that flows. Cryptic units within the clue should also be grammaticaly correct. - Here's one: Flower sounds irritatin'. (6) if you read that anywhere else you would assume I meant a plant, but the answer is Itchen, which is a river in Hampshire, (I have got away with Itchen not being an exact sound alike for itching because I left the g off irritating in the clue.) In the Chumbawamba clue ‘sheep, say’ was really pushing the limits, it should probably have been what sheep, say or sound of sheep. In Dom's ‘Prince and the New Power Generation’ clue (sorry Dom) ‘non-confusion’ just doesn't mean ‘no n - confusion’ a better way (if cold fusion had been in the answer) might have been to say ‘pointless confusion’ ‘n’ being a point of the compass or ‘confusion missing unknown’ ‘n’ is used to represent an unknown value in equations.
A clue should be precise, there should be nothing in the clue unused by the solution and equally the solution should not contain any letters that are not accounted for in the clue. - Simply missing out ‘and the’ is not allowed.
The order is also important, if the cryptic parts of the clue are not in the order they appear in the answer there should be something to indicate this: In the Chumbawamba clue I used ‘after friend’ to indicate that ba(w)a should follow chum.
If part of the clue doesn't have exactly the same meaning as the answer, this should be indicated, often a question mark is used to do this. This one is a bit hard to explain, if the definition part is a little bit cryptic it is often indicated by placing it at the end of the clue and adding a question mark, or if part of the clue is an example of the corresponding part of the answer then a word like say or perhaps may be used. - In Dom's clue ‘kids’ means children, it doesn't mean generation, but it is an example of a generation so ‘kids say’ or ‘say kids’ would have been fine.
Sounds like type clues should sound exactly like, so the clue gives a real word (or possibly phrase) that sounds exactly like another real word that is spelt differently. - Consider beerfart with the first ‘r’ removed and Beefheart and contrast it with cofusion and cold fusion, I would possibly have tried something along the lines of ‘swapping large old pennies for unknown in confusion’, large being ‘l’, old pennies being ‘d’ as in L/s/d - pounds shillings and pence and unknown being ‘n’.
It is considered unfair if you cannot get straight from part of the clue to the corresponding part of the answer directly, that is to say there should be no intermediate step that would stand as a clue in its own right. In the Thompson Twins clue the anagram part was pushing the boundaries of this rule, which is why I added a definition part. Cold fusion is a good clue for ‘new power’ but it should have been used directly in the clue rather than expecting the solver to work it out and then solve it.
A clue should have only one answer, if two similar words could satisfy the clue then the clue should be improved.
Strive to make the clue elegant, it is best if it reads well, as if it were a complete sentence or remark, it is analogous to style of ascent, you can dog a route or on-sight it, you get to the top either way, but you get more respect for the on-sight. Good setters often manage to create clues that form a conceptually consistent construction, punctuation may be used to achieve this and obscure the correct breakdown of the clue. - I tried to do this with the Tubthumping clue, ‘belay devices dropping climber from the Lakes living in Edinburgh’ could have been made far simpler by saying ‘belay devices, losing points’ but I wanted to get in two climbing references.
A good clue should take at least as long to set as it does to solve, probably longer. - The one I'm working on at the moment has taken about three days so far, and I still need to figure out how to get rid of one more letter.
Lastly, nobody likes a smart arse setter or a boring setter (smart arse setter - one who sets clues that are too difficult for you, boring setter - one who sets clues that are too easy for you)
Eddinabox's not especially helpful, not comprehensive, slightly boring selection of tips for setting cryptic clues.
Cryptic clues, at least in crosswords, should either contain a definition part and a cryptic part, or sometimes two definitions but omit the cryptic part, or as here be themed so the definition part may be omitted if the setter wishes.
Clues should always be grammaticaly correct when read (rather than spoken) as a sentence, a favourite of crossword setters is ‘flower’ which will make sense in the whole clue if taken to mean flower as in daisy or chrysanthemum, but when taken crypticaly it will actually refer to a river, in the sense that a river is something that flows. Cryptic units within the clue should also be grammaticaly correct. - Here's one: Flower sounds irritatin'. (6) if you read that anywhere else you would assume I meant a plant, but the answer is Itchen, which is a river in Hampshire, (I have got away with Itchen not being an exact sound alike for itching because I left the g off irritating in the clue.) In the Chumbawamba clue ‘sheep, say’ was really pushing the limits, it should probably have been what sheep, say or sound of sheep. In Dom's ‘Prince and the New Power Generation’ clue (sorry Dom) ‘non-confusion’ just doesn't mean ‘no n - confusion’ a better way (if cold fusion had been in the answer) might have been to say ‘pointless confusion’ ‘n’ being a point of the compass or ‘confusion missing unknown’ ‘n’ is used to represent an unknown value in equations.
A clue should be precise, there should be nothing in the clue unused by the solution and equally the solution should not contain any letters that are not accounted for in the clue. - Simply missing out ‘and the’ is not allowed.
The order is also important, if the cryptic parts of the clue are not in the order they appear in the answer there should be something to indicate this: In the Chumbawamba clue I used ‘after friend’ to indicate that ba(w)a should follow chum.
If part of the clue doesn't have exactly the same meaning as the answer, this should be indicated, often a question mark is used to do this. This one is a bit hard to explain, if the definition part is a little bit cryptic it is often indicated by placing it at the end of the clue and adding a question mark, or if part of the clue is an example of the corresponding part of the answer then a word like say or perhaps may be used. - In Dom's clue ‘kids’ means children, it doesn't mean generation, but it is an example of a generation so ‘kids say’ or ‘say kids’ would have been fine.
Sounds like type clues should sound exactly like, so the clue gives a real word (or possibly phrase) that sounds exactly like another real word that is spelt differently. - Consider beerfart with the first ‘r’ removed and Beefheart and contrast it with cofusion and cold fusion, I would possibly have tried something along the lines of ‘swapping large old pennies for unknown in confusion’, large being ‘l’, old pennies being ‘d’ as in L/s/d - pounds shillings and pence and unknown being ‘n’.
It is considered unfair if you cannot get straight from part of the clue to the corresponding part of the answer directly, that is to say there should be no intermediate step that would stand as a clue in its own right. In the Thompson Twins clue the anagram part was pushing the boundaries of this rule, which is why I added a definition part. Cold fusion is a good clue for ‘new power’ but it should have been used directly in the clue rather than expecting the solver to work it out and then solve it.
A clue should have only one answer, if two similar words could satisfy the clue then the clue should be improved.
Strive to make the clue elegant, it is best if it reads well, as if it were a complete sentence or remark, it is analogous to style of ascent, you can dog a route or on-sight it, you get to the top either way, but you get more respect for the on-sight. Good setters often manage to create clues that form a conceptually consistent construction, punctuation may be used to achieve this and obscure the correct breakdown of the clue. - I tried to do this with the Tubthumping clue, ‘belay devices dropping climber from the Lakes living in Edinburgh’ could have been made far simpler by saying ‘belay devices, losing points’ but I wanted to get in two climbing references.
A good clue should take at least as long to set as it does to solve, probably longer. - The one I'm working on at the moment has taken about three days so far, and I still need to figure out how to get rid of one more letter.
Lastly, nobody likes a smart arse setter or a boring setter (smart arse setter - one who sets clues that are too difficult for you, boring setter - one who sets clues that are too easy for you)
In reply to Dom Whillans: Brilliant, you are 'da man'
In reply to EddInaBox:
yada yada yada was that the sound of a rattle being thrown from your pram? so the new power generation bit was awful... but the first half was genius, you have to admit.
I have to admit that until this thread started I had always stayed away from cryptic clues, not to mention trying to set them! nice one for the concise rules of engagement you've given Eddinabox, they may well help in future. I'm not going to try and set another one until I've had a beer a bath and a good curry... and re-read the above a couple of times!
yada yada yada was that the sound of a rattle being thrown from your pram? so the new power generation bit was awful... but the first half was genius, you have to admit.
I have to admit that until this thread started I had always stayed away from cryptic clues, not to mention trying to set them! nice one for the concise rules of engagement you've given Eddinabox, they may well help in future. I'm not going to try and set another one until I've had a beer a bath and a good curry... and re-read the above a couple of times!
In reply to Dom Whillans:
That must be some beer and curry your having, I'm fed up waiting.
Try this one:
She croons on terribly, with energy and so awful a din. Is there any comparison to this girl's song? (6,7)
Should be pretty straightforward for you brainboxes.
That must be some beer and curry your having, I'm fed up waiting.
Try this one:
She croons on terribly, with energy and so awful a din. Is there any comparison to this girl's song? (6,7)
Should be pretty straightforward for you brainboxes.
In reply to blanchie14c:
Spot on, too easy, try this one:
Greeting heard, from Thomas's ensemble. (8,5,9)
Spot on, too easy, try this one:
Greeting heard, from Thomas's ensemble. (8,5,9)
In reply to EddInaBox:
I take my hat off to you, I thought it may keep you going for a bit.
I take my hat off to you, I thought it may keep you going for a bit.
In reply to Removed User:
Not sure about the 'greeting heard' bit.
Electric light orchestra
Thomas = Eddison/light bulb
Ensemble = group of musicians/orchestra
Not sure about the 'greeting heard' bit.
Electric light orchestra
Thomas = Eddison/light bulb
Ensemble = group of musicians/orchestra
In reply to Removed User:
Ah cool. good one. not read the whole thread, get the gist of it. My go now?
Ah cool. good one. not read the whole thread, get the gist of it. My go now?
In reply to blanchie14c:
Yep, away you go, we're waiting.
Yep, away you go, we're waiting.
In reply to blanchie14c: I think you've made this one too hard and stopped the thread
In reply to blanchie14c: Sure this is wrong but I wanted to refresh this thread in hope that someone cleverer than me might take a look...
Depeche Mode?
Depeche Mode?
In reply to Al Evans:
Morning Al (monring for me, on nights, just got up!)
Clue then
should help with the first word.
You wouldn't be able to get a 6 fig grid ref off this, the most famous map in the world!
Morning Al (monring for me, on nights, just got up!)
Clue then
should help with the first word.
You wouldn't be able to get a 6 fig grid ref off this, the most famous map in the world!
In reply to Snowboy:
Not depeche mate, a bit earlier...
Not depeche mate, a bit earlier...
> You wouldn't be able to get a 6 fig grid ref off this, the most famous map in the world!
Not printed by OS either, no need to, it is free at the back of most diaries...
In reply to blanchie14c: Tubeway Army?
In reply to Al Evans:
Tips hat to Mr Evans!
Harry BECK designed the london underground map. Underground / Tube / Tubeway and words to describe a military unit or ARMY - division
Tubeway Army.
Well done Al. Nice
Tips hat to Mr Evans!
Harry BECK designed the london underground map. Underground / Tube / Tubeway and words to describe a military unit or ARMY - division
Tubeway Army.
Well done Al. Nice
In reply to blanchie14c: Sorry just got my clue wrong so had to delete, actually I got that before the diaries clue.
Ok, a bit easy I am afraid
Quiet, a navy man, two not old ones actually, but no poisioness gas.
Ok, a bit easy I am afraid
Quiet, a navy man, two not old ones actually, but no poisioness gas.
In reply to blanchie14c: First male insect?
In reply to climberjamie: Adam Ant but the question is still with me, as above.
In reply to Al Evans: Can you tell us the number of letters please?
In reply to Snowboy: Sorry, bit of a giveaway though.
3/2/2
3/2/2
In reply to Snowboy: If it goes more than an hour I'll give a clue.
In reply to Al Evans: AAAAARRRRGGGHHH bloody Aaaaargh! I must have the cranial capacity of a newt at the mo, I can't think of anything...
In reply to Snowboy: Ok clue is
Snoopys little friend in Peanuts. Thats a clue to how to find them, not who it is.
Snoopys little friend in Peanuts. Thats a clue to how to find them, not who it is.
In reply to Al Evans: Oh blimey, It's Sha Na Na.
I wouldnt have got that in a thousand guesses.
Right gimme a minute...
I wouldnt have got that in a thousand guesses.
Right gimme a minute...
In reply to Snowboy: Logic
Quiet = Sh
a =a Sha
a navy man could be said to be an old salt, there are two not old ones, salt is NaCl, take away the poisoness gas (Cl) Na Na
Quiet = Sh
a =a Sha
a navy man could be said to be an old salt, there are two not old ones, salt is NaCl, take away the poisoness gas (Cl) Na Na
In reply to Snowboy: You made me give the number of letters
In reply to Al Evans: Yeah I had got to old salt but it just kept looping round my head going no-where. Nice work sir...
In reply to Pilch: Anyone gonna try my one? C'mon don't leave me hanging...
M.J.'s kingdom self-destructs in the future.
M.J.'s kingdom self-destructs in the future.
In reply to Snowboy: # of letters?
In reply to Snowboy: Unless you intentionally gave the answer away with "don't leave me hanging", in which case it's 3,3,6, then I don't think I'm going to get it...
In reply to Newton:
Nope that was just a pathetic cry for attention.
Clue: Miles Hunt was a massive fan of this band...
Nope that was just a pathetic cry for attention.
Clue: Miles Hunt was a massive fan of this band...
In reply to Snowboy:
I think this fails to meet any of the criteria set above but here goes...
probably too easy with the letters
green youths attempting easy bouldering at stanage, by eliminating one of the Steps!
I think this fails to meet any of the criteria set above but here goes...
probably too easy with the letters
green youths attempting easy bouldering at stanage, by eliminating one of the Steps!
In reply to Newton: Surely not New Kids on the Block?
In reply to Snowboy: too easy huh?
and missing a 'the' too, got carried away with my climbing references...
and missing a 'the' too, got carried away with my climbing references...
In reply to Newton: Must have been quite easy if I could get it
JB and KG are extremely stubborn, especially over the alphabet's fourth...
JB and KG are extremely stubborn, especially over the alphabet's fourth...
In reply to Removed User: Solve before you set mate, thems the rules.
In reply to Snowboy:
There isn't one to solve, is there?
There isn't one to solve, is there?
In reply to Removed User:
by - Snowboy on - 17:51 Sun
JB and KG are extremely stubborn, especially over the alphabet's fourth...
by - Snowboy on - 17:51 Sun
JB and KG are extremely stubborn, especially over the alphabet's fourth...
In reply to blanchie14c:
Ah! Apologies to Snowboy, I didn't spot it, He's not put the number of letters down.
Ah! Apologies to Snowboy, I didn't spot it, He's not put the number of letters down.
In reply to Removed User: Yeah, sorry about that but this one really is let down if I give you the letters...
Clue: If my fingers were as strong as the lead singer's gentleman's part I would be climbing E14...
Clue: If my fingers were as strong as the lead singer's gentleman's part I would be climbing E14...
In reply to Pilch: Got the answer, but had to cheat.....
In reply to Newton: it's 9,1
In reply to EddInaBox:
Another tick.
Another tick.
In reply to Newton:
> (In reply to Pilch) Got the answer, but had to cheat.....
Got the answer to my one? You're right on the number of letters so I guess so...In reply to Snowboy: Yup,
An easy one to hand the baton bcak to the masters.....
Vampire confused with multiple points is unaccounted for (8)
An easy one to hand the baton bcak to the masters.....
Vampire confused with multiple points is unaccounted for (8)
In reply to Snowyboy: Tenacious D. btw
In reply to Newton: Ok. assuming everyone's not just gone, I think either my clue is bad or the band is too obscure... Double checking, they've never made the top 40 so by definition are not pop. They're good though....
Anyway, vampire isn't a very good clue, and multiple points could have read 5 points i.e.
"Vampire(?) confused with 5 points is unaccounted for."
If no-one gets it by 10.00 I'll put up something else. I think it's obvious if you've heard of the band!
Anyway, vampire isn't a very good clue, and multiple points could have read 5 points i.e.
"Vampire(?) confused with 5 points is unaccounted for."
If no-one gets it by 10.00 I'll put up something else. I think it's obvious if you've heard of the band!
In reply to Newton:
No protests. I'll scratch the last one off - answer tomorrow. something easy (but equally poorly compiled) then I hope that everyone's heard of.
poop inside singular gents toilet
(7,4)
No protests. I'll scratch the last one off - answer tomorrow. something easy (but equally poorly compiled) then I hope that everyone's heard of.
poop inside singular gents toilet
(7,4)
In reply to Newton:
Diamond Head?
I've racked my brains (and google) and thats all I can come up with
Head=toilet(on Ship) although I reckon the toilet bit is probably John. Cant make any sense of the rest though.
Diamond Head?
I've racked my brains (and google) and thats all I can come up with
Head=toilet(on Ship) although I reckon the toilet bit is probably John. Cant make any sense of the rest though.
In reply to Newton: Jilted John, but I can't understand why it would be jilted?
In reply to Newton: Especially as thats only six letters
In reply to Removed User:
Also a poop is a deck on a ship, but I still can't do anything with it.
> (In reply to Removed UserNewton)
> Diamond Head?
>
> I've racked my brains (and google) and thats all I can come up with
> Head=toilet(on Ship)
> Diamond Head?
>
> I've racked my brains (and google) and thats all I can come up with
> Head=toilet(on Ship)
Also a poop is a deck on a ship, but I still can't do anything with it.
In reply to Newton:
"singular gents toilet" must be "jack" (singular of "jacks"), still don't know about "poop inside""
"singular gents toilet" must be "jack" (singular of "jacks"), still don't know about "poop inside""
In reply to dtormey:
Where does that come from? I can't say I've ever heard jacks used in that sense. I can think of a few other names for toilet though:
dunny, head, john, loo, littlest room, little boys' room, crapper, throne, porcelain throne, water closet, urinal, lavatory, lav.
Where does that come from? I can't say I've ever heard jacks used in that sense. I can think of a few other names for toilet though:
dunny, head, john, loo, littlest room, little boys' room, crapper, throne, porcelain throne, water closet, urinal, lavatory, lav.
In reply to EddInaBox: Don't forget 'bog' but thats only three letters in the singular?
In reply to EddInaBox:
I guess "jacks" must be a colloquialism from over here (Ireland) then - it is widely used here though, surprised it's not used in the UK
> (In reply to dtormey)
> ...I can't say I've ever heard jacks used in that sense...
> ...I can't say I've ever heard jacks used in that sense...
I guess "jacks" must be a colloquialism from over here (Ireland) then - it is widely used here though, surprised it's not used in the UK
In reply to EddInaBox:
http://www.toiletinspector.com/index.asp?pgid=166
> (In reply to dtormey)
> Where does that come from? I can't say I've ever heard jacks used in that sense. I can think of a few other names for toilet though:
> dunny, head, john, loo, littlest room, little boys' room, crapper, throne, porcelain throne, water closet, urinal, lavatory, lav.
> Where does that come from? I can't say I've ever heard jacks used in that sense. I can think of a few other names for toilet though:
> dunny, head, john, loo, littlest room, little boys' room, crapper, throne, porcelain throne, water closet, urinal, lavatory, lav.
http://www.toiletinspector.com/index.asp?pgid=166
In reply to Blue Straggler: I can confirm that one of you has the 4 correct.
I've just noticed that it's a single male artist, not a group. top 10 song released in '95. Everyone will have heard of him.
I think I'll give up setting!
I've just noticed that it's a single male artist, not a group. top 10 song released in '95. Everyone will have heard of him.
I think I'll give up setting!
In reply to Newton:
OK I've cheated and got the answer, and to be fair the clue is not bad, just that no one thought of the answer, although I don't see why `inside´ is necessary.
OK I've cheated and got the answer, and to be fair the clue is not bad, just that no one thought of the answer, although I don't see why `inside´ is necessary.
In reply to EddInaBox: I wouldn't question you... thought it scanned better though and the inside was supposed to be poop, "inside singular gents", toilet. the inside is inferred by position but it did make the clue read better I think.
My other clue was better (I think) but I guess no-one has heard of them.
Over to you then..
My other clue was better (I think) but I guess no-one has heard of them.
Over to you then..
In reply to Newton:
I deliberately didn't give an answer because the only clue I've got ready is probably going to be a total stinker, so it is johnjohn's turn
I deliberately didn't give an answer because the only clue I've got ready is probably going to be a total stinker, so it is johnjohn's turn
In reply to EddInaBox:
whoops, so have I answered?
Running out of the office now so off the cuff....
.....ermmmmm. It's not going to be a clever anagram.
whoops, so have I answered?
Running out of the office now so off the cuff....
.....ermmmmm. It's not going to be a clever anagram.
In reply to johnjohn: Affirmative. "Ski Ba Bop Ba Dop Bop"
Looks like Edinabox is letting you take the honours JohnJohn....
Looks like Edinabox is letting you take the honours JohnJohn....
In reply to Newton:
we hear a Parisian say’s he’s bored with this Rickenbacker twanger
(5,4)
(as I say, I like easies)
we hear a Parisian say’s he’s bored with this Rickenbacker twanger
(5,4)
(as I say, I like easies)
In reply to Removed User:
Actually it is pretty hard, okay impossible, if you don't know much French.
'Parisian' usually clues a French word or in phrase, setters assuming some basic knowledge of French (plus some Latin and a few words of german and spanish etc - 'the spanish' usually means that 'el' is somewhere in the answer. I'll post a clue if that's not enough.
Actually it is pretty hard, okay impossible, if you don't know much French.
'Parisian' usually clues a French word or in phrase, setters assuming some basic knowledge of French (plus some Latin and a few words of german and spanish etc - 'the spanish' usually means that 'el' is somewhere in the answer. I'll post a clue if that's not enough.
In reply to johnjohn:
I got as far as 'Il est ecouter'- he is bored (probably utterly wrong in the grammar)last night, then googled Rickenbacker players, but no further. Still completely baffled.
I got as far as 'Il est ecouter'- he is bored (probably utterly wrong in the grammar)last night, then googled Rickenbacker players, but no further. Still completely baffled.
In reply to Pilch:
Right lines but he's saying 'I'm bored/fed up with...' Any more would be to deprive someone of a little eureka moment.
Right lines but he's saying 'I'm bored/fed up with...' Any more would be to deprive someone of a little eureka moment.
In reply to johnjohn:
To be bored is something like s'ennuyer
With more letters it could be Harry Nilsson (il s'ennuye?) or Brian Wilson.
Along the right lines?
To be bored is something like s'ennuyer
With more letters it could be Harry Nilsson (il s'ennuye?) or Brian Wilson.
Along the right lines?
In reply to Blue Straggler: it's better than that honest. I should have said "fed up" rather than bored if you're reduced to google. Google'French "I'm fed up"'
Go to top hit, read to where it translates "I'm fed up waiting for him" and say the first bit out loud, or ask someone who speaks a bit of french how to say "I'm fed up".
Best I could do in a hurry.
Go to top hit, read to where it translates "I'm fed up waiting for him" and say the first bit out loud, or ask someone who speaks a bit of french how to say "I'm fed up".
Best I could do in a hurry.
In reply to johnjohn: You aren't Blackadder are you, the love of his life Alizee recorded 'I'm Fed Up' in french?
In reply to johnjohn: Way out guess this
Depeche Mode?
Only because Depeche means to hurry (as in tired of waiting) ?
Depeche Mode?
Only because Depeche means to hurry (as in tired of waiting) ?
In reply to Al Evans:
just put "I'm fed up" into google translate, English to French.
(posting from a phone earlier without access to google translate hence more convoluted route.)
just put "I'm fed up" into google translate, English to French.
(posting from a phone earlier without access to google translate hence more convoluted route.)
In reply to johnjohn:
johnny marr?
johnny marr?
In reply to johnjohn:
Gaah.
I now know it, but it's actually 6,4
That might help someone else. (I feel that by Googling "I'm fed up", I have cheated, and I don't wanna the next person to wind everyone up accidentally with a clue that I think is easy but is nigh-on intractable )
Gaah.
I now know it, but it's actually 6,4
That might help someone else. (I feel that by Googling "I'm fed up", I have cheated, and I don't wanna the next person to wind everyone up accidentally with a clue that I think is easy but is nigh-on intractable )
In reply to Blue Straggler:
Oh well Dom posted before me anyway as he only had to type Johnny Marr.
Over to you Dom.
Oh well Dom posted before me anyway as he only had to type Johnny Marr.
Over to you Dom.
In reply to Dom Whillans:
magnifique!
(j'en ai marr)
from the blackadder ref I'm clearly not the only one to have been amused by this
magnifique!
(j'en ai marr)
from the blackadder ref I'm clearly not the only one to have been amused by this
In reply to johnjohn:
But... if I have the right answer he is a guitarist (who I have never heard of) and has been in a few bands, including The Smiths (I have at least heard of them) but isn't a solo artist or in an eponymous band.
But... if I have the right answer he is a guitarist (who I have never heard of) and has been in a few bands, including The Smiths (I have at least heard of them) but isn't a solo artist or in an eponymous band.
In reply to EddInaBox:
I thought that. There was Johnny Marr and the Healers. I'm not sure how strict the ruling has to be?
I thought that. There was Johnny Marr and the Healers. I'm not sure how strict the ruling has to be?
In reply to EddInaBox:
yeah, what he said! and "johnny" is 6 letters, not 5. i'd discounted johnny hours ago for this reason even though jonhnny sounds a little like j'ennui (my schoolboy french is abysmal).
i've not got a clue prepared and don't want to monopolise this thread like i did last week so will step aside for BS to give a clue...
yeah, what he said! and "johnny" is 6 letters, not 5. i'd discounted johnny hours ago for this reason even though jonhnny sounds a little like j'ennui (my schoolboy french is abysmal).
i've not got a clue prepared and don't want to monopolise this thread like i did last week so will step aside for BS to give a clue...
In reply to EddInaBox:
Rickenbacker in the clue tells you it's a guitarist.
Jonny Marr would be in any top ten of UK guitarists and in the top one of 'indie' guitarists. T
Also 'jonny' is his name and beats 'johnny' in a google fight.
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=jonny+marr&wo...
Rickenbacker in the clue tells you it's a guitarist.
Jonny Marr would be in any top ten of UK guitarists and in the top one of 'indie' guitarists. T
Also 'jonny' is his name and beats 'johnny' in a google fight.
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=jonny+marr&wo...
In reply to johnjohn:
i've never heard of googlefight before, but i love it already! "johnny" gets more hits though
i've never heard of googlefight before, but i love it already! "johnny" gets more hits though
In reply to johnjohn:
If you use "Johnny Marr" and "Jonny Marr" with quotes the results are somewhat different.
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=%22Johnny+Marr%22...
If you use "Johnny Marr" and "Jonny Marr" with quotes the results are somewhat different.
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=%22Johnny+Marr%22...
In reply to EddInaBox:
ah merde
"jonny marr" still wins in a google fight. As a long term resister of being called Johnny as this is reserved for Jonathans as Jonny, I find this a highly unpleasant revelation.
ah merde
"jonny marr" still wins in a google fight. As a long term resister of being called Johnny as this is reserved for Jonathans as Jonny, I find this a highly unpleasant revelation.
altering my clue
Firebomb namesake keeps a television award alongside a porcelain throne
7,6
Firebomb namesake keeps a television award alongside a porcelain throne
7,6
In reply to Pilch:
you've gotta be accurate setting clues though. I'm just off to a quiet room with a glass of whisky and a loaded gun
you've gotta be accurate setting clues though. I'm just off to a quiet room with a glass of whisky and a loaded gun
In reply to Blue Straggler:
I know, I hoped he mighty be cheating
> (In reply to Al Evans)
>
> That's not 5,4
>
> That's not 5,4
I know, I hoped he mighty be cheating
In reply to Blue Straggler:
I reckon a good clue should take us between ten and thirty minutes if it is set at a time when there are plenty of solvers hanging about, although longer if it is acknowledged to be a bit of a sod.
German is after Henry's model organ, once left turning wonky new queen, nipper with right job managing the Dons. (0)
I reckon a good clue should take us between ten and thirty minutes if it is set at a time when there are plenty of solvers hanging about, although longer if it is acknowledged to be a bit of a sod.
German is after Henry's model organ, once left turning wonky new queen, nipper with right job managing the Dons. (0)
In reply to Blue Straggler: I get the Emmylou, but where does the Harris come from? Bomber Harris on Dresden? That is well obscure, not too easy I would have thought.
In reply to Al Evans:
That is what I assumed, but there aren't many other Emmylou's it could have been, so overall the clue was very easy.
That is what I assumed, but there aren't many other Emmylou's it could have been, so overall the clue was very easy.
In reply to Al Evans:
Bomber Harris is arguably not obscure at all. The Emmy awards are lees well known by the average Brit, I think (you have worked in the entertainment industry so it was easy for you). Bomber Harris was in the national news just a few years ago regarding the opposition to a statue of him.
I was going to go with "Woman called Horse" referencing A Man Called Horse starring Richard Harris, but I felt that that was a bit of a stretch
Bomber Harris is arguably not obscure at all. The Emmy awards are lees well known by the average Brit, I think (you have worked in the entertainment industry so it was easy for you). Bomber Harris was in the national news just a few years ago regarding the opposition to a statue of him.
I was going to go with "Woman called Horse" referencing A Man Called Horse starring Richard Harris, but I felt that that was a bit of a stretch
In reply to EddInaBox: Without the letters, Kraftwerk?
In reply to Blue Straggler:
emmylou harris was a great clue.
now then...
German is = ist
after Henry's model = T
organ, = a number of possibilities
once left = icel (?)
turning wonky new = backwards and mixed up
queen, = er or Q
nipper = numerous possibilities
with right = r
job managing the Dons. either wimbledon mgr for whom I won't google or a maffia ref.
The only band i know with no letters would be
!!!
emmylou harris was a great clue.
now then...
German is = ist
after Henry's model = T
organ, = a number of possibilities
once left = icel (?)
turning wonky new = backwards and mixed up
queen, = er or Q
nipper = numerous possibilities
with right = r
job managing the Dons. either wimbledon mgr for whom I won't google or a maffia ref.
The only band i know with no letters would be
!!!
In reply to Blue Straggler:
Bingo.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/af/Prince_logo.svg
Or for those wondering
German is = ist
after
Henry's model organ = t heart
once = former
left = l
turning wonky = yknow
new = n
queen nipper = asp
right = r
job managing the Dons = ince (Milton Keynes Dons)
Bingo.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/af/Prince_logo.svg
Or for those wondering
German is = ist
after
Henry's model organ = t heart
once = former
left = l
turning wonky = yknow
new = n
queen nipper = asp
right = r
job managing the Dons = ince (Milton Keynes Dons)
In reply to EddInaBox:
I don't deserve it though - I didn't work it out, just thought of recording artists with no letters or numbers in their name.
You might have killed off the thread, silly Ed!
(I'll think of one)
I don't deserve it though - I didn't work it out, just thought of recording artists with no letters or numbers in their name.
You might have killed off the thread, silly Ed!
(I'll think of one)
In reply to EddInaBox: very good. The wimbledon ref dates me
In reply to Blue Straggler:
But that was why I put (0) as the letter count, it took 19 minutes to solve, which I reckon is about right.
But that was why I put (0) as the letter count, it took 19 minutes to solve, which I reckon is about right.
Received aurally by insane leporid's red adversary (Dorothy's friend)
3,6
3,6
In reply to Blue Straggler: Well I got a rabbit, a scarecrow, a lion, a tinman and Toto, but listening to them just seems mad.
In reply to Al Evans:
That's too many. Only one friend of Dorothy makes up a part of the clue. That's a clue in itself.
That's too many. Only one friend of Dorothy makes up a part of the clue. That's a clue in itself.
In reply to Al Evans:
Scarecrow is too long if we have to fit in any more letters, and rabbit, tinman and the letters of leporid probably are as well, so ‘mad leporid's’ could be (March) hare or hares, possibly mixed up, Dorothy's friend is quite likely to be Toto, Lion or Oz, (or possibly the last word is bender) red adversary could be -der, USSR, commie, but probably isn't.
Scarecrow is too long if we have to fit in any more letters, and rabbit, tinman and the letters of leporid probably are as well, so ‘mad leporid's’ could be (March) hare or hares, possibly mixed up, Dorothy's friend is quite likely to be Toto, Lion or Oz, (or possibly the last word is bender) red adversary could be -der, USSR, commie, but probably isn't.
Part of that clue was too obscure. Here's a variation, but feel free to work from both.
Received aurally by leader (peckish, perhaps) of a 12-pack (Dorothy's friend)
3,6
Received aurally by leader (peckish, perhaps) of a 12-pack (Dorothy's friend)
3,6
In reply to Blue Straggler: Do you need clues to the clue?
In reply to EddInaBox:
SOrry, I had not read your rules.
"It is considered unfair if you cannot get straight from part of the clue to the corresponding part of the answer directly, that is to say there should be no intermediate step that would stand as a clue in its own right." has been broken by me.
The clue I've written gives the name of another artist/band, which very quickly should give you the answer, but it is a standalone clue. Sorry.
I'll read the rest of the rules later, and perhaps feed a few more tips.
SOrry, I had not read your rules.
"It is considered unfair if you cannot get straight from part of the clue to the corresponding part of the answer directly, that is to say there should be no intermediate step that would stand as a clue in its own right." has been broken by me.
The clue I've written gives the name of another artist/band, which very quickly should give you the answer, but it is a standalone clue. Sorry.
I'll read the rest of the rules later, and perhaps feed a few more tips.
In reply to Blue Straggler: Is the duplicate post a clue?
Eric Snot and the Nosebleeds
Ooops, too many words.
Eric Snot and the Nosebleeds
Ooops, too many words.
In reply to Al Evans: No, I'd made some silly typos, corrected them but the original did not get deleted properly. I think I was a bit harsh on myself too - I think my clue is just about acceptable under Ed's rules
In reply to Blue Straggler:
I think my clue is just about acceptable under Ed's rules
Will I need to refer to my phoenican alphabet, or my book of celtic runes?
I think my clue is just about acceptable under Ed's rules
Will I need to refer to my phoenican alphabet, or my book of celtic runes?
In reply to Removed User:
Ha ha! None of that. There are no anagrams at all in mine, by the way. They are cultural clues (one socio-cultural I guess...if there's such a word)
Ha ha! None of that. There are no anagrams at all in mine, by the way. They are cultural clues (one socio-cultural I guess...if there's such a word)
In reply to Blue Straggler:
Salacious misinformation and scurrilous half truths.
Or perhaps Hot Gossip.
Salacious misinformation and scurrilous half truths.
Or perhaps Hot Gossip.
In reply to galpinos:
That's close enough. It was actually The Gossip but your answer is funnier and we need a fresh clue setter.
Sorry Ed for not quite following your rules. I thought it was a great clue until I saw the bit about no "inbetween" answers.
That's close enough. It was actually The Gossip but your answer is funnier and we need a fresh clue setter.
Sorry Ed for not quite following your rules. I thought it was a great clue until I saw the bit about no "inbetween" answers.
In reply to Blue Straggler:
Ooh beaten to it by a minute, after doing all the hard work too! It's not your day
> (In reply to galpinos)
>
>
> Sorry Ed
>
>
> Sorry Ed
Ooh beaten to it by a minute, after doing all the hard work too! It's not your day
In reply to Blue Straggler: Aaaaaargh no, I need to get one, I have this fab but really easy clue to post, it will take 1 min to get, but its fab.
In reply to Blue Straggler:
The point about the in between answers is that when you know the answer, because you set the clue, the middle step seems easy, but if you are trying to solve it, it is usually a leap too far, unless it is following a standard cryptic convention which everybody knows about.
The point about the in between answers is that when you know the answer, because you set the clue, the middle step seems easy, but if you are trying to solve it, it is usually a leap too far, unless it is following a standard cryptic convention which everybody knows about.
In reply to Blue Straggler:
My head is spinning.
My head is spinning.
In reply to EddInaBox:
Fair comment. Even without knowing the rule, I did worry a bit about it, but it's such a famous song, usually if you have heard of Marvin you know this song (and possibly nothing else by him), so you'd instantly think of it. The letter count tells you it's not Marvin Gaye for the full answer, reminding you to look for the other part of the clue.
I'll be careful next time. I've been setting them in a rush when I get one right.
Fair comment. Even without knowing the rule, I did worry a bit about it, but it's such a famous song, usually if you have heard of Marvin you know this song (and possibly nothing else by him), so you'd instantly think of it. The letter count tells you it's not Marvin Gaye for the full answer, reminding you to look for the other part of the clue.
I'll be careful next time. I've been setting them in a rush when I get one right.
In reply to Blue Straggler:
I'll let Ed set the clue as I've got a meeting to go to!
(Or Al can have it as he seems desperate..... )
I'll let Ed set the clue as I've got a meeting to go to!
(Or Al can have it as he seems desperate..... )
In reply to Al Evans:
I've got so many nice easy standard clues lined up now, I could write a book.
I've got so many nice easy standard clues lined up now, I could write a book.
for the benefit of others: Lee Marvin was the leader/boss of the Dirty Dozen, and is rhyming slang for being hungry (Lee Marvin - starvin') hence the "peckish" comment. I didn't put in anything about removing the "Lee", I thought it would be obvious. "Friend of Dorothy" was an old euphemism for being gay. So we get Marvin Gaye.
Aurally is via the ears, so aurally received is something he heard. Marvin Gaye famously heard "it" through the grapevine. What you hear through the grapevine is The Gossip
Aurally is via the ears, so aurally received is something he heard. Marvin Gaye famously heard "it" through the grapevine. What you hear through the grapevine is The Gossip
In reply to Blue Straggler:
The first draft was about the little martian from the Looney Tunes cartoons.
Insane leporid is Bugs Bunny (a Looney Tunes rabbit). Red adversary was simply a Martian enemy.
I changed it because he wasn't called Marvin in the cartoons - they gave him a name much later when they wanted to sell toys etc. so it was an unfair clue, and possibly just too obscure anyway.
The first draft was about the little martian from the Looney Tunes cartoons.
Insane leporid is Bugs Bunny (a Looney Tunes rabbit). Red adversary was simply a Martian enemy.
I changed it because he wasn't called Marvin in the cartoons - they gave him a name much later when they wanted to sell toys etc. so it was an unfair clue, and possibly just too obscure anyway.
In reply to Blue Straggler:
I had the red adversary of a rabbit down as being a fox. As for the leader of a twelve pack, well I was off being a musher in Alaska. I've googled myself round the world. Twice.
> (In reply to Blue Straggler)
Red adversary was simply a Martian enemy.I had the red adversary of a rabbit down as being a fox. As for the leader of a twelve pack, well I was off being a musher in Alaska. I've googled myself round the world. Twice.
In reply to Removed User:
I was going to say Commie adversary, what with the cartoons being from the 1950s where Mars represented the "Red peril" in so many propagandist sci-fi invasion B-movies, but thought that might have been a steppe too far (geddit?)
I was going to say Commie adversary, what with the cartoons being from the 1950s where Mars represented the "Red peril" in so many propagandist sci-fi invasion B-movies, but thought that might have been a steppe too far (geddit?)
In reply to EddInaBox:
It is a standard cryptic clue, with an (indirect) definition part and a cryptic part, I am off to the wall very soon, but the answer is unambiguous, when you get it you will know. It is fast disappearing up the thread so I will post it again.
Chav mirror adventure: Ben stirred Mike and Dave's favourite. (7-6,9)
It is a standard cryptic clue, with an (indirect) definition part and a cryptic part, I am off to the wall very soon, but the answer is unambiguous, when you get it you will know. It is fast disappearing up the thread so I will post it again.
Chav mirror adventure: Ben stirred Mike and Dave's favourite. (7-6,9)
In reply to EddInaBox:
Bachman-Turner Overdrive
> (In reply to galpinos)
>
> Chav mirror adventure: Ben stirred Mike and Dave's favourite. (7-6,9)
>
> Chav mirror adventure: Ben stirred Mike and Dave's favourite. (7-6,9)
Bachman-Turner Overdrive
In reply to galpinos:
If I'm right I feel as though I cheated as I got it from Smashy and Nicey and the number of letters.
Right, off to the climbing wall.
> (In reply to EddInaBox)
> [...]
>
> Bachman-Turner Overdrive
> [...]
>
> Bachman-Turner Overdrive
If I'm right I feel as though I cheated as I got it from Smashy and Nicey and the number of letters.
Right, off to the climbing wall.
In reply to galpinos:
Simple anagram, I'm off too so the floor is open because I need to be around for my next one, I expect I will have to give clues.
Simple anagram, I'm off too so the floor is open because I need to be around for my next one, I expect I will have to give clues.
In reply to EddInaBox:
"Simple" anagram? Patronising bu**er!
> (In reply to galpinos)
>
> Simple anagram, I'm off too so the floor is open because I need to be around for my next one, I expect I will have to give clues.
>
> Simple anagram, I'm off too so the floor is open because I need to be around for my next one, I expect I will have to give clues.
"Simple" anagram? Patronising bu**er!
In reply to EddInaBox:
Ok, as the floor is open, and nobody else has jumped in, try this:
No finer island group (11)
Ok, as the floor is open, and nobody else has jumped in, try this:
No finer island group (11)
In reply to Removed User:
Come on everybody. No Hebrew phrasebook, leaps of faith, enigma machine or round the world googling required here. It's a piece of pish.
> Ok, as the floor is open, and nobody else has jumped in, try this:
>
> No finer island group (11)
>
> No finer island group (11)
Come on everybody. No Hebrew phrasebook, leaps of faith, enigma machine or round the world googling required here. It's a piece of pish.
In reply to Blue Straggler:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Archipelago/dp/B00005AWZ0/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=...
But I can't believe you mean these? Unless you were into what might have been, judging by the art work, cheesy Enigma-like faux-trance?
> (In reply to allysingo)
>
> Was there a group called Archipelago?
>
> Was there a group called Archipelago?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Archipelago/dp/B00005AWZ0/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=...
But I can't believe you mean these? Unless you were into what might have been, judging by the art work, cheesy Enigma-like faux-trance?
In reply to Blue Straggler:
No, no group called that as far as I know. This is a well known 70's group.
No, no group called that as far as I know. This is a well known 70's group.
In reply to Pilch: Temptations?
In reply to Newton:
Not the Temptations sorry. I have to confess myself amazed that nobody has got this yet, as it is a fair, no nonsense, bog standard cryptic clue. In fact, there are two ways of solving it from the given clue, in which sense it's quite clever. I still, very occasionally hear this band on the radio. If I post another hint, it will spoil it.
Not the Temptations sorry. I have to confess myself amazed that nobody has got this yet, as it is a fair, no nonsense, bog standard cryptic clue. In fact, there are two ways of solving it from the given clue, in which sense it's quite clever. I still, very occasionally hear this band on the radio. If I post another hint, it will spoil it.
In reply to Pilch: Lindisfarne, should have got that sooner.
Good clue by the way, all the clever folk must be out.
Back to me then. No-one ever got this (recent, obscure, good band)
"Vampire confused with multiple points is unaccounted for (8)"
but to hand over we'll go much easier cos my clues appear to suck
burn a torch? (10)
Back to me then. No-one ever got this (recent, obscure, good band)
"Vampire confused with multiple points is unaccounted for (8)"
but to hand over we'll go much easier cos my clues appear to suck
burn a torch? (10)
In reply to Blue Straggler: clue might have read better as
burn(?) a torch (10)
i.e. burn isn't a perfect clue!
burn(?) a torch (10)
i.e. burn isn't a perfect clue!
In reply to Newton:
It has been 15 hours and no one has solved this one, it looks like we need a hint.
It has been 15 hours and no one has solved this one, it looks like we need a hint.
In reply to EddInaBox:
In order to reactivate this thread here is an easy one while we wait for Newton.
Afternoon repast by the sound of it, begins eating chocolates after M4 services. (3,5,5)
In order to reactivate this thread here is an easy one while we wait for Newton.
Afternoon repast by the sound of it, begins eating chocolates after M4 services. (3,5,5)
In reply to Snowboy:
Afternoon repast by the sound of it = T(tea)
begins eating = e
chocolates = roses
after
M4 services = heston
Afternoon repast by the sound of it = T(tea)
begins eating = e
chocolates = roses
after
M4 services = heston
In reply to EddInaBox: Ok, waiting for Newton another really easy one
Ferrous metal looks at the bridge.
Ferrous metal looks at the bridge.
In reply to Blue Straggler:
We are told the REAL real Rooster Cogburn, comes before complete loyalty
--------/---------
We are told the REAL real Rooster Cogburn, comes before complete loyalty
--------/---------
In reply to Blue Straggler:
rewrite:
We are told the REAL real Rooster Cogburn, comes before conviction (total)
8,9
rewrite:
We are told the REAL real Rooster Cogburn, comes before conviction (total)
8,9
In reply to EddInaBox: Told you it was easy
In reply to Al Evans:
And if I hadn't stopped to look up how it was spelt I would have beaten Blue Straggler to the answer. (But written Steeleyspan, so would have been wrong.)
And if I hadn't stopped to look up how it was spelt I would have beaten Blue Straggler to the answer. (But written Steeleyspan, so would have been wrong.)
In reply to Blue Straggler: Nope, stuck with John Wayne and Guilty or prison or sentence.
I think this may be a band I have never heard of.
I think this may be a band I have never heard of.
In reply to Hat Dude:
jesus I'm thick - I spent five minutes of my life trying to think of male singers/bands called marion (into marilion etc etc) just not feelin' it today.
(test of a good/fair clue is the right answer is obviously right when you see it)
jesus I'm thick - I spent five minutes of my life trying to think of male singers/bands called marion (into marilion etc etc) just not feelin' it today.
(test of a good/fair clue is the right answer is obviously right when you see it)
In reply to johnjohn:
Was my clue OK? I am new to this. Did I get that right, that "we are told" means "sounds like" (allowing the Marion/Marianne thing)?
Was my clue OK? I am new to this. Did I get that right, that "we are told" means "sounds like" (allowing the Marion/Marianne thing)?
In reply to Blue Straggler: Good clue if we had been told that it was a soloist and not a group, which I thought was the understanding on this thread?
In reply to Blue Straggler:
Yes, pretty good clue, you spotted there was an inconsistency in the ordering and rewrote it, I liked the ‘REAL real Rooster Cogburn’ part (even though it defeated me), the second half wasn't quite as good but did the job.
Yes, pretty good clue, you spotted there was an inconsistency in the ordering and rewrote it, I liked the ‘REAL real Rooster Cogburn’ part (even though it defeated me), the second half wasn't quite as good but did the job.
In reply to Al Evans:
I think that groups or solo artists are fair game, but songs or musicians within a group are not within the spirit of the theme so best avoided, if a setter insists on using them it should be stated.
I think that groups or solo artists are fair game, but songs or musicians within a group are not within the spirit of the theme so best avoided, if a setter insists on using them it should be stated.
In reply to Pilch: I'm back.
The old clue that no-one got was Absentee.
The new clue Burn a torch (10) ... Recentish, and suprisingly not American.
The old clue that no-one got was Absentee.
The new clue Burn a torch (10) ... Recentish, and suprisingly not American.
In reply to Newton: recentish = noughties
In reply to Newton:
I'm not sure where vampire fits in, absentee is sort of an anagram of beast if you add n, e, and e, but beast isn't really synonymous with vampire.
> The old clue that no-one got was Absentee.
Vampire confused with multiple points is unaccounted for (8)I'm not sure where vampire fits in, absentee is sort of an anagram of beast if you add n, e, and e, but beast isn't really synonymous with vampire.
In reply to Newton:
Glad to see you're back.....(gulp)
Glad to see you're back.....(gulp)
In reply to EddInaBox: bat, not beast - I did update the clue with "confused with 5 points" but by then everyone had moved on. I was working on the basis that 2 naff clues (anagram + "unaccounted for") equate to one good clue.
In reply to Newton:
Ah, I see now, if I had heard of the band I just might have got it.
I suspect the other one is Razorlight.
Ah, I see now, if I had heard of the band I just might have got it.
I suspect the other one is Razorlight.
In reply to EddInaBox: correct.
Raze isn't as obviously "burn" as I'd previously assumed.
Over to you...
Raze isn't as obviously "burn" as I'd previously assumed.
Over to you...
In reply to Newton:
That's because it actually means demolish or flatten.
This one from Hat Dude is still on the go, and I haven't got an easy one up my sleeve.
http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?t=384461&new=5576996#x5576417
That's because it actually means demolish or flatten.
This one from Hat Dude is still on the go, and I haven't got an easy one up my sleeve.
http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?t=384461&new=5576996#x5576417
In reply to EddInaBox: yes. I know that now! didn't when I set the clue. onto Hat mans then
In reply to Hat Dude:
Edgar Broughton Band.
Edgar Broughton Band.
In reply to Removed User:
Correct
Correct
In reply to Hat Dude:
Fantastic! at long last, I got one.
Fingers on buzzers people, this one wont last long:
Betrayers spin awful gossip about her. (7,6)
Fantastic! at long last, I got one.
Fingers on buzzers people, this one wont last long:
Betrayers spin awful gossip about her. (7,6)
In reply to Removed User:
thanks. As ever didn't have one ready. Lots of work... excuses
okay
"this skinhead dance g-groove, scouse poets drank to our saviour"
(3,8)
thanks. As ever didn't have one ready. Lots of work... excuses
okay
"this skinhead dance g-groove, scouse poets drank to our saviour"
(3,8)
In reply to johnjohn:
I forget everyone's younger than me, bit easier possibly?...
"this skinhead dance g-groove, scouse poets sang of roseate blooms"
>
> "this skinhead dance g-groove, scouse poets drank to our saviour"
>
> (3,8)
> "this skinhead dance g-groove, scouse poets drank to our saviour"
>
> (3,8)
I forget everyone's younger than me, bit easier possibly?...
"this skinhead dance g-groove, scouse poets sang of roseate blooms"
In reply to EddInaBox:
If so, that's bloody obscure (superficial subjective judgement criterion: I've never heard of them and I've at least heard of everyone else on the thread even if I may not have heard their music e.g. Absentee)
Would like to say I'm looking forward to you next clue, but really I'm dreading it, ha haa!
If so, that's bloody obscure (superficial subjective judgement criterion: I've never heard of them and I've at least heard of everyone else on the thread even if I may not have heard their music e.g. Absentee)
Would like to say I'm looking forward to you next clue, but really I'm dreading it, ha haa!
In reply to Blue Straggler:
I had to look them up once I had worked out the song.
Yes, my next ones a bit of a monster, but I await confirmation before I proceed.
I had to look them up once I had worked out the song.
Yes, my next ones a bit of a monster, but I await confirmation before I proceed.
In reply to Blue Straggler: I don't believe you have never heard of The Scaffold
Lily the Pink
Aintree Iron
Paul McCartneys brother (Mike McGear)
Lily the Pink
Aintree Iron
Paul McCartneys brother (Mike McGear)
In reply to Al Evans: Actually Aintree Iron was called Thank You Very Much, sorry.
In reply to EddInaBox:
well done!
didn't take long either
sounds like skinhead music = sca
groove = fold, g-groove = ffold (another crossword convention, not one that I like)
scouse poets = roger mcgough etc, just googling "liverpool poets" and "pop group" gives scaffold in the top two hits without clicking on links
and lily the pink was number 1 for ages, back when I used to watch top of the pops with my mum.
...and you say obscure!
bit random I'll grant you
well done!
didn't take long either
sounds like skinhead music = sca
groove = fold, g-groove = ffold (another crossword convention, not one that I like)
scouse poets = roger mcgough etc, just googling "liverpool poets" and "pop group" gives scaffold in the top two hits without clicking on links
and lily the pink was number 1 for ages, back when I used to watch top of the pops with my mum.
...and you say obscure!
bit random I'll grant you
In reply to all:
You probably won't know the name of this band, as far as I know they haven't had any chart hits, in fact I don't think they have ever released a record of their own, but you will be able to name one if not more members (that won't help you though.)
You will almost certainly have seen this band several times in the last thirty odd years, although I would be very surprised if you had seen them live.
The clue has a cryptic part and a (not very helpful) definition part. I strongly discourage using the internet to cheat on this one, at least for the time being, but feel free to work collectively.
Controlled by unseen hands, medic starts testing former you turned logical, operator extracting pill from former you confined by intellect, riches perhaps secure a cut edge. (2,5,3,3,8,6)
You probably won't know the name of this band, as far as I know they haven't had any chart hits, in fact I don't think they have ever released a record of their own, but you will be able to name one if not more members (that won't help you though.)
You will almost certainly have seen this band several times in the last thirty odd years, although I would be very surprised if you had seen them live.
The clue has a cryptic part and a (not very helpful) definition part. I strongly discourage using the internet to cheat on this one, at least for the time being, but feel free to work collectively.
Controlled by unseen hands, medic starts testing former you turned logical, operator extracting pill from former you confined by intellect, riches perhaps secure a cut edge. (2,5,3,3,8,6)
In reply to EddInaBox:
Even before seeing the unseen hands bit of the clue, I was wondering if it's something to do with the Muppets orchestra?
Even before seeing the unseen hands bit of the clue, I was wondering if it's something to do with the Muppets orchestra?
In reply to Al Evans:
OK maybe not obscure, but the name just doesn't ring a bell. Lily the Pink is vaguely remembered as a famous hit single that I've never heard, just heard its name, but not the band. Obviously just me though
OK maybe not obscure, but the name just doesn't ring a bell. Lily the Pink is vaguely remembered as a famous hit single that I've never heard, just heard its name, but not the band. Obviously just me though
In reply to Blue Straggler:
Didn't they have a hit though = m'nu m'na?
which was actually covered by the dodgiest essex lasses pop group ever....
Controlled by unseen hands = muppets; pinky and perky; thunderbirds etc etc
medic = often MO (medical officer) sometimes DR (doctor) or MD, though “medic starts” could just be M
starts testing = could be T, or a synonym
former = synonyms include ex, once, etc
you = solver? poster? U? Dunno
turned = anagram signifier, but in which direction?
logical, operator = and/if etc
operator = op sometimes, or surgeon or some synonym
extracting = taking etc etc
pill = tablet etc etc
from former you = see above
confined by intellect, riches perhaps secure a cut edge = decides to finish writing this bloody report.
If good clue is done in 20 mins let’s see how long this one takes
Didn't they have a hit though = m'nu m'na?
which was actually covered by the dodgiest essex lasses pop group ever....
Controlled by unseen hands = muppets; pinky and perky; thunderbirds etc etc
medic = often MO (medical officer) sometimes DR (doctor) or MD, though “medic starts” could just be M
starts testing = could be T, or a synonym
former = synonyms include ex, once, etc
you = solver? poster? U? Dunno
turned = anagram signifier, but in which direction?
logical, operator = and/if etc
operator = op sometimes, or surgeon or some synonym
extracting = taking etc etc
pill = tablet etc etc
from former you = see above
confined by intellect, riches perhaps secure a cut edge = decides to finish writing this bloody report.
If good clue is done in 20 mins let’s see how long this one takes
In reply to johnjohn:
Did they release each single under a different variation of a name though?
And I remember Vanilla!
> (In reply to Blue Straggler)
>
> Didn't they have a hit though = m'nu m'na?
>
> which was actually covered by the dodgiest essex lasses pop group ever....
>
>
> Didn't they have a hit though = m'nu m'na?
>
> which was actually covered by the dodgiest essex lasses pop group ever....
>
Did they release each single under a different variation of a name though?
And I remember Vanilla!
In reply to EddInaBox: Dr Teeth and the Electric Mayhem
In reply to Al Evans:
Well that didn't last as long as I had hoped, I should have just given the clue without all the waffle.
Well that didn't last as long as I had hoped, I should have just given the clue without all the waffle.
In reply to EddInaBox:
Controlled by unseen hands = definition
medic = Dr
starts testing = t
former you turned = eeth
logical operator = and
extracting pill from former you = thee minus e
confined by intellect riches = electric (slightly cocked that bit up)
perhaps = may
secure a cut edge = hem
Controlled by unseen hands = definition
medic = Dr
starts testing = t
former you turned = eeth
logical operator = and
extracting pill from former you = thee minus e
confined by intellect riches = electric (slightly cocked that bit up)
perhaps = may
secure a cut edge = hem
In reply to EddInaBox: It's one of those names I always remember, Like Eric Snot and the Nosebleeds.
Ok a really really easy one as usual from me, I never expect to get a turn so I don't have a tough one prepared
Chalked up holds by beck leads to piece of land.
Ok a really really easy one as usual from me, I never expect to get a turn so I don't have a tough one prepared
Chalked up holds by beck leads to piece of land.
In reply to johnjohn: so it was the bloody muppets - hey ho. New triv.
In reply to johnjohn:
Yes, and the Muppets have released records, but not Dr Teeth and the Electric Mayhem, unless anyone cares to prove me wrong.
Yes, and the Muppets have released records, but not Dr Teeth and the Electric Mayhem, unless anyone cares to prove me wrong.
In reply to Blue Straggler:
Then you should have worked it out from the clue, on the other hand Al is one of the few people who knows the name without cheating, so you probably wouldn't have had time.
Then you should have worked it out from the clue, on the other hand Al is one of the few people who knows the name without cheating, so you probably wouldn't have had time.
In reply to EddInaBox:
True but a) I'm not good enough and b) I never knew the name of the band so I wouldn't have started to recognise any of it, so I'd have no self-validation along the way.
Not whingeing though!
> (In reply to Blue Straggler)
>
> Then you should have worked it out from the clue, on the other hand Al is one of the few people who knows the name without cheating, so you probably wouldn't have had time.
>
> Then you should have worked it out from the clue, on the other hand Al is one of the few people who knows the name without cheating, so you probably wouldn't have had time.
True but a) I'm not good enough and b) I never knew the name of the band so I wouldn't have started to recognise any of it, so I'd have no self-validation along the way.
Not whingeing though!
In reply to Blue Straggler:
Well I thought it might go on a bit longer and I would have started giving away letters like in a real crossword.
Well I thought it might go on a bit longer and I would have started giving away letters like in a real crossword.
In reply to Hat Dude: You got it
In reply to Hat Dude:
Anybody have any ideas?
First - A
First person - Adam, I, We...
person - man, woman, human...
singer - Soprano, Alto, Contralto, Treble, Tenor, Baritone, Bass,
Crooner, Vocalist, Snitch, Grass, Tell-tale, Sewing Machine...
unnamed - anon, take away a name...
Anybody have any ideas?
First - A
First person - Adam, I, We...
person - man, woman, human...
singer - Soprano, Alto, Contralto, Treble, Tenor, Baritone, Bass,
Crooner, Vocalist, Snitch, Grass, Tell-tale, Sewing Machine...
unnamed - anon, take away a name...
In reply to EddInaBox:
I'm off for a long weekend this afternoon & don't want to stall this excellent thread.
Losing sleep may help with the answer
> (In reply to Hat Dude)
>
> First person - Adam, I, We...
> unnamed - anon, take away a name...
>
> First person - Adam, I, We...
> unnamed - anon, take away a name...
I'm off for a long weekend this afternoon & don't want to stall this excellent thread.
Losing sleep may help with the answer
In reply to Hat Dude:
That suggests Insomnia by Faithless, but I don't think it fits the clue, except perhaps Adam Faith.
p.s. this is post number 500.
That suggests Insomnia by Faithless, but I don't think it fits the clue, except perhaps Adam Faith.
p.s. this is post number 500.
In reply to Hat Dude: Mantovani?
In reply to EddInaBox:
First person singer + Adam Faith
Take away the Faith & he's Faithless
> (In reply to Hat Dude)
>
> That suggests Insomnia by Faithless, but I don't think it fits the clue, except perhaps Adam Faith.
>
> p.s. this is post number 500.
>
> That suggests Insomnia by Faithless, but I don't think it fits the clue, except perhaps Adam Faith.
>
> p.s. this is post number 500.
First person singer + Adam Faith
Take away the Faith & he's Faithless
In reply to All:
In celebration of the 500th post here is a little UKC related clue. Bonus points for the explanation. (The answer is till in keeping with the general theme)
Spooner's toilet tissues are getting serious forum back, after the pairing of Ryan and Geldard? (3,5,7)
In celebration of the 500th post here is a little UKC related clue. Bonus points for the explanation. (The answer is till in keeping with the general theme)
Spooner's toilet tissues are getting serious forum back, after the pairing of Ryan and Geldard? (3,5,7)
In reply to Hat Dude:
Should read person singer = Adam Faith
> (In reply to EddInaBox)
> [...]
>
> First person singer + Adam Faith
> Take away the Faith & he's Faithless
> [...]
>
> First person singer + Adam Faith
> Take away the Faith & he's Faithless
Should read person singer = Adam Faith
In reply to EddInaBox:
Bay Shitty Rollers
Bay Shitty Rollers
In reply to EddInaBox:
The White Stripes.
Got it from Jack then Meg (Not Mick!), I get the gist of the front end but can't explain it...
The White Stripes.
Got it from Jack then Meg (Not Mick!), I get the gist of the front end but can't explain it...
In reply to Newton: I think this one is easy, and probably my least bad to date......
I, Khan, plus sad Red? came. We asked for it.
5,5,3,6
I, Khan, plus sad Red? came. We asked for it.
5,5,3,6
In reply to EddInaBox:
Keep coming back to this, but can make nothing of it.
Keep coming back to this, but can make nothing of it.
In reply to Removed User:
I thought this was going to be an easy one, so here is a rewrite.
Leather on screen reportedly, file suit against American's last beverage. (4,6)
I thought this was going to be an easy one, so here is a rewrite.
Leather on screen reportedly, file suit against American's last beverage. (4,6)
In reply to EddInaBox: Is it Suzi Quatro???
Although got that from last clue, and am not convinced..
Although got that from last clue, and am not convinced..
In reply to Pilch: ok. Quatro is a drink. convinced. and almost have one to fire back....
In reply to Newton:
Yes it is, she played Leather Tuscadero in Happy Days.
reportedly = sounds like
file suit against = sue
American's last = ‘Z’ (pronounced zee)
car (or beverage) = quatro
Yes it is, she played Leather Tuscadero in Happy Days.
reportedly = sounds like
file suit against = sue
American's last = ‘Z’ (pronounced zee)
car (or beverage) = quatro
In reply to Newton:
As my clues get less obtuse I'll be accused of making them easy....
An untruth granny? Yes/No? Chance it with bad motivation.
5,3,4
As my clues get less obtuse I'll be accused of making them easy....
An untruth granny? Yes/No? Chance it with bad motivation.
5,3,4
In reply to EddInaBox: Cheers, got most of that, didn't get american's last as zee though. now I know...
In reply to Newton: Bump
Anybody got any ideas, I've played around with variations on;
False
Lie
Knot
The Smiths (granny smiths)
Maybe
Apple and Spur.
Anybody got any ideas, I've played around with variations on;
False
Lie
Knot
The Smiths (granny smiths)
Maybe
Apple and Spur.
In reply to Al Evans: Oh, and Risk.
In reply to Al Evans:
Idle, lax, lazy were other words I was looking at,including most of yours. Apart from apple.
Idle, lax, lazy were other words I was looking at,including most of yours. Apart from apple.
In reply to Al Evans: A) lie is a good start...
In reply to Newton:
Alien Ant Farm.
a lie - An untruth
nan - granny
t/f (true or false) - yes/no
arm - you chance your arm (nice clue)
???? - with bad motivation (possibly to do with covering smooth criminal from Michael Jackson's Bad album?)
Alien Ant Farm.
a lie - An untruth
nan - granny
t/f (true or false) - yes/no
arm - you chance your arm (nice clue)
???? - with bad motivation (possibly to do with covering smooth criminal from Michael Jackson's Bad album?)
In reply to Blue Straggler:
Try Mea Tloaf then.
Try Mea Tloaf then.
In reply to Blue Straggler:
how so?!
> (In reply to allysingo)
>
> Meat Loaf fits the clue but not the letters
>
> Meat Loaf fits the clue but not the letters
how so?!
In reply to EddInaBox: Of course.
Played around for ages with the last bit, which was a reference to Smooth Criminal from the Bad Album, but didn't want to make it too much of a giveaway.
Played around for ages with the last bit, which was a reference to Smooth Criminal from the Bad Album, but didn't want to make it too much of a giveaway.
In reply to EddInaBox:
There is a group called Alien Ant Farm?
> (In reply to Newton)
>
> Alien Ant Farm.
>
> Alien Ant Farm.
There is a group called Alien Ant Farm?
In reply to Pilch: Hmmm,
The answer is Bob Dylan I assume, an anagram of Bald and Bony.
I've got nothing and am out all day tomorrow so will have to pass the buck...
The answer is Bob Dylan I assume, an anagram of Bald and Bony.
I've got nothing and am out all day tomorrow so will have to pass the buck...
In reply to Newton: Is the miss-spelling of Nemesis a clue?
In reply to Al Evans: Ok looking for help
1/ I assume this is something about comic book and film writer Mark Millar, whose new project is Nemesis
2/ Odd legs? gels?
3/ Hate, animosity? Or in this context retribution?
4/ Dirty?
1/ I assume this is something about comic book and film writer Mark Millar, whose new project is Nemesis
2/ Odd legs? gels?
3/ Hate, animosity? Or in this context retribution?
4/ Dirty?
In reply to Newton: Ah! So it's plural, nothing to do with the film then but with Millars personal nemeses, even his fictional ones.
In reply to Newton:
You worked out the answer correctly. I couldn't indicate that the clue was an anagram, it would have made it just too easy.
You worked out the answer correctly. I couldn't indicate that the clue was an anagram, it would have made it just too easy.
In reply to Newton:
Has to be said 12 hours later that it may be dirty but it certainly aint quick!
> (In reply to Newton)
>
> Actually, quick and dirty....
>
> Millar's Nemeses hate odd legs
>
> 3,8
>
> Actually, quick and dirty....
>
> Millar's Nemeses hate odd legs
>
> 3,8
Has to be said 12 hours later that it may be dirty but it certainly aint quick!
In reply to Pilch:
Let's make it marginally easier - not at my best at 2am. You should definitely have heard of them and should be able to work it out if not (maybe)
Peel's beloved, Millar's Nemeses, hate odd legs massaged.
Let's make it marginally easier - not at my best at 2am. You should definitely have heard of them and should be able to work it out if not (maybe)
Peel's beloved, Millar's Nemeses, hate odd legs massaged.
In reply to Newton: Hmmmm, The Fall? nope it's not going to be me who gets this?
In reply to kevin stephens:
Sorry nope.
clue: http://bestforpuzzles.com/cryptic-crossword-dictionary/anagram-indicators/m...
Sorry nope.
clue: http://bestforpuzzles.com/cryptic-crossword-dictionary/anagram-indicators/m...
In reply to Newton:
I've anagrammed the shit out of 'hate odd legs' and got nowhere.
'The Leaddogs' is the only result that sounds like it could be a group
I've anagrammed the shit out of 'hate odd legs' and got nowhere.
'The Leaddogs' is the only result that sounds like it could be a group
In reply to Newton: Do you really think this is a quick one?
In reply to Al Evans: Fair enough, clearly another "Absentee" moment.
One last shot for google before I put you out of your misery
Millar refers to Robert Millar the scotish cyclist
Peel is the late John Peel
One last shot for google before I put you out of your misery
Millar refers to Robert Millar the scotish cyclist
Peel is the late John Peel
In reply to Newton: I'll put the answer up at 21.30.
In reply to Newton: Answer is The Delgados. A Scotish Band named after Tour de France cyclist Pedro Delgado, who incredibly won the 1985 Vuelta from under (Scot) Robert Millar's nose in the most bizarre of circumstances, eventually meaning that he never won a grand tour. The two had numerous latter duals with Delgado usually coming out on top. Hence the tenuous additional cycling reference (legs, massage) in the anagram
A bit more digging has led me to believe that John Peel was fairly generous with his affections, so perhaps being a John Peel favourite is not as good a clue as previously thought. They did feature on his 2CD tribute album though.
(At 1am, after a night out) I thought it was easy, but then I like the band and read books about cycling ;^).
Over to someone else now...
A bit more digging has led me to believe that John Peel was fairly generous with his affections, so perhaps being a John Peel favourite is not as good a clue as previously thought. They did feature on his 2CD tribute album though.
(At 1am, after a night out) I thought it was easy, but then I like the band and read books about cycling ;^).
Over to someone else now...
In reply to Newton:
Cor blimey! I'm kicking myself now. Now I've seen it explained. It was staring us in the face all that time. Drat.
Don't want to step on anyone else's toes but here's an easy one, as a filler in:
Unconsciously appreciative. (3,8,4)
Cor blimey! I'm kicking myself now. Now I've seen it explained. It was staring us in the face all that time. Drat.
Don't want to step on anyone else's toes but here's an easy one, as a filler in:
Unconsciously appreciative. (3,8,4)
In reply to Pilch:
Artist and song.
German Spooner says sample the cannabis with tongue, hooligan upended silica, changing direction in underwater breathing equipment. (5,4/4,3,5)
Artist and song.
German Spooner says sample the cannabis with tongue, hooligan upended silica, changing direction in underwater breathing equipment. (5,4/4,3,5)
In reply to EddInaBox: I'm on fire tonight.....
But am not going to ruin this one, nor have I got one prepared so to avoid people crying out at my next clue I'm going to keep schtum..
But am not going to ruin this one, nor have I got one prepared so to avoid people crying out at my next clue I'm going to keep schtum..
In reply to Newton:
That's pushing it a bit!
As you said, he had many "favourites".
I like The Delgados, I've seen them play twice (and seen Emma Pollock once or twice), I am aware of their importance in the British indie scene in the last 12 years (with the Chemikal Underground label), but if I may be so bold, I think they are a little bit obscure for this kind of thing
> (In reply to Al Evans) Fair enough, clearly another "Absentee" moment.
>
> One last shot for google before I put you out of your misery
>
> Millar refers to Robert Millar the scotish cyclist
>
> One last shot for google before I put you out of your misery
>
> Millar refers to Robert Millar the scotish cyclist
That's pushing it a bit!
> Peel is the late John Peel
As you said, he had many "favourites".
I like The Delgados, I've seen them play twice (and seen Emma Pollock once or twice), I am aware of their importance in the British indie scene in the last 12 years (with the Chemikal Underground label), but if I may be so bold, I think they are a little bit obscure for this kind of thing
In reply to Newton:
I had both those, but jeeez, it's obscure.
> Millar refers to Robert Millar the scotish cyclist
> Peel is the late John Peel
> Peel is the late John Peel
I had both those, but jeeez, it's obscure.
In reply to Al Evans: I hadn't appreciated how un-famous they were - Robert Millar is pretty famous though - he's the 4th hit if you type in Famous Millar into google, and UKs most succesful TDF cyclist, and mentioned almost daily dufing 2009 TdF when wiggo was looking to beat his exploits. And the anagram was easy.
Anyway, in lieu of any answers to Edinabox overnight:
Pixie Lott - Boys and Girls.
And something genuinely so easy I'm not going to give the letters
Unruly hit is a great change. Amen
Anyway, in lieu of any answers to Edinabox overnight:
Pixie Lott - Boys and Girls.
And something genuinely so easy I'm not going to give the letters
Unruly hit is a great change. Amen
In reply to Newton: I think you, and maybe one or two others are kindda Times and Guardian standard, while the rest of us are Telegraph standard?
In reply to Newton:
Yep, got that in the end, but Nemeses was a really unfair red herring when related to Millar!
> (In reply to Al Evans) I hadn't appreciated how un-famous they were - Robert Millar is pretty famous though - he's the 4th hit if you type in Famous Millar into google, and UKs most succesful TDF cyclist,
Yep, got that in the end, but Nemeses was a really unfair red herring when related to Millar!
In reply to Bulls Crack:
Mary Travers?
Mary Travers?
In reply to Pilch: I'm thinking that William's successor is Anne, but I'm going to take a punt and suggest King Crimson, just because they fit the progressive bit of the clue.
In reply to Newton:
While we wait for confirmation, try this,
Another tea time quickie:
Chef is rarely late (4,5)
While we wait for confirmation, try this,
Another tea time quickie:
Chef is rarely late (4,5)
In reply to EddInaBox: Considering how long it is since we have had an answer in less than a few hours, don't you think some people are pitching this just a tad too difficult, or excuse me, is it just an ego thing rather than a quiz?
In reply to Al Evans:
You need to have a crack at mine Al. Never harder than the Telegraph.
Chef is rarely late (4,5)
Think about it. It's dead easy.
You need to have a crack at mine Al. Never harder than the Telegraph.
Chef is rarely late (4,5)
Think about it. It's dead easy.
In reply to Al Evans:
Yes I do, which is why I jumped the gun and added a new clue before the last was solved (and I also thought adding a second Chef clue was fitting) it gives people an easy one and a slightly trickier one to work at at the same time.
Yes I do, which is why I jumped the gun and added a new clue before the last was solved (and I also thought adding a second Chef clue was fitting) it gives people an easy one and a slightly trickier one to work at at the same time.
In reply to Removed User:
News Chiefs?
> (In reply to Removed UserAl Evans)
> You need to have a crack at mine Al. Never harder than the Telegraph.
>
> Chef is rarely late (4,5)
>
> Think about it. It's dead easy.
> You need to have a crack at mine Al. Never harder than the Telegraph.
>
> Chef is rarely late (4,5)
>
> Think about it. It's dead easy.
News Chiefs?
In reply to Al Evans:
I see where you're coming from(ish), but no.
You need to consider 'Rarely' In a Cheffy context.
And prefix it to a late chef.
Then Bingo!you have the answer. No googling or Newton like leaps of intellect required.
If you dont get it now, I'll eat my laptop.
I see where you're coming from(ish), but no.
You need to consider 'Rarely' In a Cheffy context.
And prefix it to a late chef.
Then Bingo!you have the answer. No googling or Newton like leaps of intellect required.
If you dont get it now, I'll eat my laptop.
In reply to Al Evans:
Too late Al, you let HatDude in, Now we're in trouble again.
Too late Al, you let HatDude in, Now we're in trouble again.
In reply to Hat Dude:
Ee bah gum, well I'm reet stumped.
Ee bah gum, well I'm reet stumped.
In reply to Pilch: I'm stumped on this one. Dog faced hermans?
In reply to Hat Dude:
D'oh! Sorry, Bell X-1?
D'oh! Sorry, Bell X-1?
In reply to Hat Dude:
Well since we seem to have been reduced to guessing 6 letter band names, possibly from Scotland, how about Runrig?
Well since we seem to have been reduced to guessing 6 letter band names, possibly from Scotland, how about Runrig?
In reply to Hat Dude:
Mogwai? (did we have them earlier?)
I am just guessing - no thought process or logic
Mogwai? (did we have them earlier?)
I am just guessing - no thought process or logic
hang on nobody got Ed's
"Credit for chef, note on account for horses in tax havens. (5,5)"
"Credit for chef, note on account for horses in tax havens. (5,5)"
In reply to Hat Dude:
Same answer, more obvious clue
Snoopies non starting
> (In reply to Pilch)
>
> John Peel's dogs possibly non starters
>
> _ _ _ _ _ _
>
> John Peel's dogs possibly non starters
>
> _ _ _ _ _ _
Same answer, more obvious clue
Snoopies non starting
In reply to Removed User:
I'm still struggling with how he got Pink Floyd?
I'm assuming the northern reference means the cumbrian John Peel, not the DJ one?
> (In reply to Removed UserAl Evans)
> Too late Al, you let HatDude in, Now we're in trouble again.
> Too late Al, you let HatDude in, Now we're in trouble again.
I'm still struggling with how he got Pink Floyd?
I'm assuming the northern reference means the cumbrian John Peel, not the DJ one?
In reply to metal arms:
Yep
John Peel as in "D'ye ken John Peel" his dogs were possibly Beagles as he hunted on foot
Yep
John Peel as in "D'ye ken John Peel" his dogs were possibly Beagles as he hunted on foot
In reply to Al Evans:
Chef late = (The late Keith) Floyd
Rarely = pink (as in rare steak)
The parts of the clue were fine in theory, but I would suggest the tense of rarely was wrong and late shouldn't have been separated from chef.
> I'm still struggling with how he got Pink Floyd?
> Chef is rarely late (4,5)
Chef late = (The late Keith) Floyd
Rarely = pink (as in rare steak)
The parts of the clue were fine in theory, but I would suggest the tense of rarely was wrong and late shouldn't have been separated from chef.
In reply to metal arms:
A quick glance on amazon suggests that even the band weren't sure whether they were Eagles or The Eagles!
> (In reply to Hat Dude)
>
> Eagles
>
> Eagles
A quick glance on amazon suggests that even the band weren't sure whether they were Eagles or The Eagles!
In reply to Blue Straggler:
possibly should have included "The" but we did have just "Beatles" earlier
What is the consensus on inclusion of articles?
> A quick glance on amazon suggests that even the band weren't sure whether they were Eagles or The Eagles!
possibly should have included "The" but we did have just "Beatles" earlier
What is the consensus on inclusion of articles?
In reply to Hat Dude:
> possibly should have included "The" but we did have just "Beatles" earlier
That clue was actually for Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds.> What is the consensus on inclusion of articles?
Personally I've run out of innovative ways to get ‘and’ and ‘the’ into my clues, but they should be in there somewhere or it makes clues harder to work out. In reply to EddInaBox:
Agreed to an extent, but an easier version such as 'underdone' or 'rare late chef' would have tumbled immediately like most of my other clues.
> The parts of the clue were fine in theory, but I would suggest the tense of rarely was wrong and late shouldn't have been separated from chef.
Agreed to an extent, but an easier version such as 'underdone' or 'rare late chef' would have tumbled immediately like most of my other clues.
In reply to Removed User:
Yes, finding the right balance is tricky, I guess I might have tried something like ‘Underdone cooking in heaven perhaps.’ but it probably wouldn't have proved much of a challenge, unlike my last which I didn't think was too demanding, the definition part is considerably easier than the word play part, and since I recycled the device from one of my earlier clues I thought somebody would get it.
Current clues:
Mine.
Credit for Chef, note on account for horses in tax havens. (5,5)
metal arms's
Hears the boss is head of the family (8)
Yes, finding the right balance is tricky, I guess I might have tried something like ‘Underdone cooking in heaven perhaps.’ but it probably wouldn't have proved much of a challenge, unlike my last which I didn't think was too demanding, the definition part is considerably easier than the word play part, and since I recycled the device from one of my earlier clues I thought somebody would get it.
Current clues:
Mine.
Credit for Chef, note on account for horses in tax havens. (5,5)
metal arms's
Hears the boss is head of the family (8)
In reply to EddInaBox:
Bruce Springsteen is "The Boss".
So could it be something that sounds a bit like "Bruce" at the start, and a simile for family at the end?
RoosKlan (a made-up and hopefully non-existent band!) or something
>
> metal arms's
> Hears the boss is head of the family (8)
> metal arms's
> Hears the boss is head of the family (8)
Bruce Springsteen is "The Boss".
So could it be something that sounds a bit like "Bruce" at the start, and a simile for family at the end?
RoosKlan (a made-up and hopefully non-existent band!) or something
In reply to Blue Straggler:
I was thinking that 'Hears the boss' was an anagram for the name of the lead singer of a 'family band' (like the Jackson 5) but I can't get any further than that...
I was thinking that 'Hears the boss' was an anagram for the name of the lead singer of a 'family band' (like the Jackson 5) but I can't get any further than that...
In reply to Pilch:
Does anyone think that one of the answers posted for
Willaim's successor was progressive (4,7)
is correct?
So far we've had soft machine, mary travers and King Crimson....
Does anyone think that one of the answers posted for
Willaim's successor was progressive (4,7)
is correct?
So far we've had soft machine, mary travers and King Crimson....
In reply to Pilch: baby steps with bad sized hats
In reply to Newton:
Hears the boss is head of the family (8)
Hears means sounds like in this clue.
And its a metal band.
> (In reply to metal arms) I've got supremes.
>Hears the boss is head of the family (8)
Hears means sounds like in this clue.
And its a metal band.
In reply to Bulls Crack:
It's King Crimson btw
> (In reply to Bulls Crack)
>
>
> Willaim's successor was progressive (4,7)
>
>
> Willaim's successor was progressive (4,7)
It's King Crimson btw
In reply to metal arms: Is it a metal band that's had a top 40 UK hit?
(crawls back into glass house)
(crawls back into glass house)
In reply to Newton:
Well done, did you work out the word play or was it just Chef and the right number of letters?
Well done, did you work out the word play or was it just Chef and the right number of letters?
In reply to metal arms:
I have just read through two thirds of the somewhat lengthy Wikipedia article on Heavy Metal Music to find this one, the answer has to be...
Mastodon.
I have just read through two thirds of the somewhat lengthy Wikipedia article on Heavy Metal Music to find this one, the answer has to be...
Mastodon.
In reply to EddInaBox:
Is that allowed?!
Ma is the head of the family in a matriarchal society
a Don is the head of "The Family" in 1970s Coppola movies.
I don't get the "sto" bit
> (In reply to metal arms)
>
> I have just read through two thirds of the somewhat lengthy Wikipedia article
>
> I have just read through two thirds of the somewhat lengthy Wikipedia article
Is that allowed?!
Ma is the head of the family in a matriarchal society
a Don is the head of "The Family" in 1970s Coppola movies.
I don't get the "sto" bit
In reply to EddInaBox:
I'm sure some sort of dinosaur clue (or even something linking to an obscure late 80s tongue-in-cheek computer game that I've never played yet somehow have been aware of for 20 years - http://www.mobygames.com/game/lane-mastodon-vs-the-blubbermen/cover-art/gam... ) would have got me the answer!
>
> Mastodon.
> Mastodon.
I'm sure some sort of dinosaur clue (or even something linking to an obscure late 80s tongue-in-cheek computer game that I've never played yet somehow have been aware of for 20 years - http://www.mobygames.com/game/lane-mastodon-vs-the-blubbermen/cover-art/gam... ) would have got me the answer!
In reply to Blue Straggler:
No it's not really, but somehow I doubt very many of us have ever even heard of them, especially since the clue was relatively simple and no one had managed to solve it.
Hears the boss - masto (sounds like master)
is head of the family - don
No it's not really, but somehow I doubt very many of us have ever even heard of them, especially since the clue was relatively simple and no one had managed to solve it.
Hears the boss - masto (sounds like master)
is head of the family - don
In reply to All:
I think we are now back down to one clue outstanding, Rock Angel's
baby steps with bad sized hats.
I think we are now back down to one clue outstanding, Rock Angel's
baby steps with bad sized hats.
In reply to EddInaBox: I have to admit to having got bored with this thread due to the clues just being too damned obscure and hard!
In reply to EddInaBox:
Well done.
Sorry for the obscurity. I had to think of a clue sharpish and they were a band I could make the clue for.
> (In reply to metal arms)
>
> I have just read through two thirds of the somewhat lengthy Wikipedia article on Heavy Metal Music to find this one, the answer has to be...
>
> Mastodon.
>
> I have just read through two thirds of the somewhat lengthy Wikipedia article on Heavy Metal Music to find this one, the answer has to be...
>
> Mastodon.
Well done.
Sorry for the obscurity. I had to think of a clue sharpish and they were a band I could make the clue for.
In reply to EddInaBox: Unfortunately I got it just from the Chef credit, capitalised Chef was a bit of a giveaway, and the wordplay bit sort of made sense afterwards.
King Crimson??? guessed as a Prog Rock band with right number of letters - no idea where Crimson comes from though
King Crimson??? guessed as a Prog Rock band with right number of letters - no idea where Crimson comes from though
In reply to metal arms:
I've heard of them at least, which is more than I can say for a couple of earlier bands And I am certainly no metalhead. I think it was a fair band to pick
I've heard of them at least, which is more than I can say for a couple of earlier bands And I am certainly no metalhead. I think it was a fair band to pick
In reply to Blue Straggler:
While we wait for Rock Angel to give us a letter count(?).....
Spooner's somersaults cause permanent injury
3,7,4
While we wait for Rock Angel to give us a letter count(?).....
Spooner's somersaults cause permanent injury
3,7,4
In reply to Newton:
I didn't capitalise chef the first time I posted it, but no one got it, so I put it up again with the capital and it did the trick.
Credit for Chef = definition, voiced Chef in South Park
note on = e (musical note) placed after
account = ac
for horses = hay
in
tax havens = ISAs
I didn't capitalise chef the first time I posted it, but no one got it, so I put it up again with the capital and it did the trick.
Credit for Chef = definition, voiced Chef in South Park
note on = e (musical note) placed after
account = ac
for horses = hay
in
tax havens = ISAs
In reply to EddInaBox:
...not a crossword clue then as the definition is not at one end. It should have started or ended with 'chef'.
...not a crossword clue then as the definition is not at one end. It should have started or ended with 'chef'.
In reply to Newton:
...anyway if injury is an anagram signifier with "cause permanent" supplying the letters then we have "tea sperm nuance" as an obvious band name. (I'm sure they were in John Peel's festive 50 and if they weren't they should have been.)
I hate clues that use spoonerisms. Impressed this thread still has a head of steam.
...anyway if injury is an anagram signifier with "cause permanent" supplying the letters then we have "tea sperm nuance" as an obvious band name. (I'm sure they were in John Peel's festive 50 and if they weren't they should have been.)
I hate clues that use spoonerisms. Impressed this thread still has a head of steam.
In reply to Al Evans:
I agree, the trouble is twofold, firstly although we have had one or two truly obscure bands, most of the answers have been well known to only some solvers, not all, naturally the setter is inclined to pick bands that were well known at a particular period, so sometimes we have bands from before some of us were born, or current bands who haven't quite broken into the popular consciousness. Secondly we are not experienced setters and it shows, people largely underestimate the difficulty of their clues, or don't understand the basic rules which leads to clues that cannot be worked out, but when we do have an easy one you just have to be quick or someone else gets in first.
I agree, the trouble is twofold, firstly although we have had one or two truly obscure bands, most of the answers have been well known to only some solvers, not all, naturally the setter is inclined to pick bands that were well known at a particular period, so sometimes we have bands from before some of us were born, or current bands who haven't quite broken into the popular consciousness. Secondly we are not experienced setters and it shows, people largely underestimate the difficulty of their clues, or don't understand the basic rules which leads to clues that cannot be worked out, but when we do have an easy one you just have to be quick or someone else gets in first.
In reply to johnjohn:
Credit for Chef, as in Chef in the credits (of South Park).
Eddinabox had used the credit in the same way in the Suzi Quatro clue...
A better clue for mine would be
Spooner's crippling somersaults (3,7,4)
Credit for Chef, as in Chef in the credits (of South Park).
Eddinabox had used the credit in the same way in the Suzi Quatro clue...
A better clue for mine would be
Spooner's crippling somersaults (3,7,4)
In reply to johnjohn:
Newton helpfully explained: "credit" can signify the name of an actor who has played a character hidden somewhere in the clue. This is a newey on me but hey we're here to learn...
('Credit' ususally stands for 'tic', which I didn't see past.)
Newton helpfully explained: "credit" can signify the name of an actor who has played a character hidden somewhere in the clue. This is a newey on me but hey we're here to learn...
('Credit' ususally stands for 'tic', which I didn't see past.)
In reply to johnjohn:
I originally wrote it as ‘Credit for chef’ meaning a chef which is valid as a definition because although Isaac Hayes was listed in the credits for providing the voice of ‘Chef’ that character was also a chef, when no one got it I capitalised the ‘C’ to make it more obvious.
I originally wrote it as ‘Credit for chef’ meaning a chef which is valid as a definition because although Isaac Hayes was listed in the credits for providing the voice of ‘Chef’ that character was also a chef, when no one got it I capitalised the ‘C’ to make it more obvious.
In reply to EddInaBox:
like I say - I see it now. Is this use of 'credit' a convention? (I'm always happy to add to the erm, armoury, such as it is.)
anyway I don't have one ready and have loads of work to do so I'm confident that this is a 30 seconds jobbie...
"penalise juvanile anthropophaginians" (4,5,8)
like I say - I see it now. Is this use of 'credit' a convention? (I'm always happy to add to the erm, armoury, such as it is.)
anyway I don't have one ready and have loads of work to do so I'm confident that this is a 30 seconds jobbie...
"penalise juvanile anthropophaginians" (4,5,8)
In reply to johnjohn:
More post crossing going on there, the good setter (not me) uses your own assumptions to misdirect you, and it is often necessary to look beyond the obvious interpretation. The use of credit was meant to be read naturally, rather than as code, but it isn't a convention I have come across before, it just fitted quite well when read with the rest of the clue.
More post crossing going on there, the good setter (not me) uses your own assumptions to misdirect you, and it is often necessary to look beyond the obvious interpretation. The use of credit was meant to be read naturally, rather than as code, but it isn't a convention I have come across before, it just fitted quite well when read with the rest of the clue.
In reply to johnjohn:
okay with a definition
"penalise juvanile anthropophaginians! Said this 80s band" (4,5,8)
okay with a definition
"penalise juvanile anthropophaginians! Said this 80s band" (4,5,8)
In reply to johnjohn:
okay with a definition
"penalise juvanile anthropophaginians! Said this 80s band" (4,5,8)
okay with a definition
"penalise juvanile anthropophaginians! Said this 80s band" (4,5,8)
In reply to Snowboy:
nice - that was under 30 secs... I'll return with a better one if I can get in later
nice - that was under 30 secs... I'll return with a better one if I can get in later
In reply to johnjohn:
Cheers, not sure about this one but I'll put it out there:
Mr Kelly's waste disposal is a biohazard.
Cheers, not sure about this one but I'll put it out there:
Mr Kelly's waste disposal is a biohazard.
In reply to Snowboy:
Sorry, 'biohazard' is wrong.
Try: Mr Kelly's waste disposal can hold mega-tons.
Sorry, 'biohazard' is wrong.
Try: Mr Kelly's waste disposal can hold mega-tons.
In reply to Pilch: While we are waiting then....
Cricketer provides seasonal(?) abuse to sibling
6,6
Cricketer provides seasonal(?) abuse to sibling
6,6
In reply to metal arms:
Yup. I like cricketers a bit more after seeing this...
http://www.cricket-game.co.uk/cricket-sledging.htm
Yup. I like cricketers a bit more after seeing this...
http://www.cricket-game.co.uk/cricket-sledging.htm
In reply to metal arms:
Is it Donaldduk?
> (In reply to Newton)
>
> Bottomless vessel for gambling centre (9)
>
> Bottomless vessel for gambling centre (9)
Is it Donaldduk?
In reply to Newton:
Particularly liked No.11
"Shane Warne, trying to tempt the batsman out of his crease mused what it took to get the plump character to get out of his crease and drive. Wicketkeeper Ian Healy piped up, "Put a Mars Bar on a good length. That should do it." "
Particularly liked No.11
"Shane Warne, trying to tempt the batsman out of his crease mused what it took to get the plump character to get out of his crease and drive. Wicketkeeper Ian Healy piped up, "Put a Mars Bar on a good length. That should do it." "
In reply to Al Evans:
Come on Al, what about this one?
http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?t=384461&new=5588426#x5588304
You probably heard the original broadcast on the wireless. :-b
Come on Al, what about this one?
http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?t=384461&new=5588426#x5588304
You probably heard the original broadcast on the wireless. :-b
In reply to metal arms:
good clue, saw it straight away like a couple of others but time to keep things moving...
Howl of the fussy Denian's elite (6,6)
good clue, saw it straight away like a couple of others but time to keep things moving...
Howl of the fussy Denian's elite (6,6)
In reply to Pilch: Al Evans states he's from Denia...
In reply to Newton: Is it the cryin' shames who sang please stay?
In reply to EddInaBox:
cheers Edina, I'll take on trust that you've got it if that's okay and duck out for a while...
cheers Edina, I'll take on trust that you've got it if that's okay and duck out for a while...
In reply to Pilch: Large demise of life
In reply to Vip1r: Megadeth?
In reply to Eddinabox: 3 Really, Reminder of clues without answers posted:
(1) baby steps with bad sized hats.
(2) Mr Kelly's waste disposal can hold mega-tons.
(3) Howl of the fussy Denian's elite (6,6)
Although I think (1) is the only one unsolved?
(1) baby steps with bad sized hats.
(2) Mr Kelly's waste disposal can hold mega-tons.
(3) Howl of the fussy Denian's elite (6,6)
Although I think (1) is the only one unsolved?
In reply to Newton:
Thank you, I forgot RockAngel's. (Who didn't solve, didn't give number of letters and appears to have buggered off.)
Thank you, I forgot RockAngel's. (Who didn't solve, didn't give number of letters and appears to have buggered off.)
In reply to EddInaBox:
I've no idea whether this is easy or not, but it's a little different...
worthwhile activity for the superstituous, for whom heaven and silver provide the key.
I've no idea whether this is easy or not, but it's a little different...
worthwhile activity for the superstituous, for whom heaven and silver provide the key.
In reply to Newton: Ok, 90 mins is too long. Not a very good additional clue, but it makes it a lot easier I think, and I'm off for Christmas soon:
worthwhile activity for the superstituous, for whom heaven and silver provide the key. Spooner says bragging is acceptable.
worthwhile activity for the superstituous, for whom heaven and silver provide the key. Spooner says bragging is acceptable.
In reply to Newton:
Almost total blank here, apart from silver probably means ag, would the letter count give the game away? I'll carry on pondering this one.
Almost total blank here, apart from silver probably means ag, would the letter count give the game away? I'll carry on pondering this one.
In reply to EddInaBox: Silver doesn't mean ag. and the clue is in the clue.
The spooner bit is weak - when you get it let me know how it should have gone!
I'm out of here for Christmas in 20 minutes or so, will recheck then, and could post a letter count.
bit of fun in the mean time.
Hypothetical ruling prohibits disclosure of route information in guidebooks (Diff?) 3,4,4
The spooner bit is weak - when you get it let me know how it should have gone!
I'm out of here for Christmas in 20 minutes or so, will recheck then, and could post a letter count.
bit of fun in the mean time.
Hypothetical ruling prohibits disclosure of route information in guidebooks (Diff?) 3,4,4
In reply to Newton:
Got that. Mod at best!
>
> Hypothetical ruling prohibits disclosure of route information in guidebooks (Diff?) 3,4,4
> Hypothetical ruling prohibits disclosure of route information in guidebooks (Diff?) 3,4,4
Got that. Mod at best!
In reply to Newton:
It's not Beyonce is it (er just cos it sort of sounds like seance if you have a funny speech pattern!). Appalling reasoning that ignores most of the clue, so surely wrong, but worth a punt
It's not Beyonce is it (er just cos it sort of sounds like seance if you have a funny speech pattern!). Appalling reasoning that ignores most of the clue, so surely wrong, but worth a punt
In reply to EddInaBox:
Thinking about it, worthwhile is a bit of a red herring. Letters are 8,5 - but you'll see why I omitted it when you solve it! If you get truly stuck (which I can't imagine you will) then googling the obvious pre-spooner words should divulge the answer...
activity for the superstituous, for whom heaven and silver provide the key. Spooner says bragging is acceptable. 8,5
Thinking about it, worthwhile is a bit of a red herring. Letters are 8,5 - but you'll see why I omitted it when you solve it! If you get truly stuck (which I can't imagine you will) then googling the obvious pre-spooner words should divulge the answer...
activity for the superstituous, for whom heaven and silver provide the key. Spooner says bragging is acceptable. 8,5
In reply to Newton: A christmas gift then!
activity for the insomniac Medhurst or the superstituous, for whom heaven and silver provide the key. Spooner says bragging is acceptable. 8,5
activity for the insomniac Medhurst or the superstituous, for whom heaven and silver provide the key. Spooner says bragging is acceptable. 8,5
In reply to Pilch:
Just interrupting Newton's thread killer,
For Al Evans only:
Felt wise, emigrating to America. (8)
Just interrupting Newton's thread killer,
For Al Evans only:
Felt wise, emigrating to America. (8)
In reply to EddInaBox:
let's answer a few
bragging is acceptable = crowing counts, which spoonerises to counting crows. Don't understand the rest of the clue but surely that's right.
my clue - howl of the fussy denian's elite
fussy = prim; denian = al (evans); elite = cream, howl = deffinition, band is primal scream
what else have we got...?
let's answer a few
bragging is acceptable = crowing counts, which spoonerises to counting crows. Don't understand the rest of the clue but surely that's right.
my clue - howl of the fussy denian's elite
fussy = prim; denian = al (evans); elite = cream, howl = deffinition, band is primal scream
what else have we got...?
In reply to johnjohn:
the beta band
(as every fule apparently knew)
>
> Hypothetical ruling prohibits disclosure of route information in guidebooks (Diff?) 3,4,4
> Hypothetical ruling prohibits disclosure of route information in guidebooks (Diff?) 3,4,4
the beta band
(as every fule apparently knew)
In reply to Newton:
ned's atomic dustbin
> (In reply to Eddinabox) 3 Really, Reminder of clues without answers posted:
>
> (2) Mr Kelly's waste disposal can hold mega-tons.
>
> (2) Mr Kelly's waste disposal can hold mega-tons.
>
ned's atomic dustbin
In reply to Removed User:
oops, wife coming down stairs... back to work
> (In reply to Removed UserPilch)
> Just interrupting Newton's thread killer,
>
> For Al Evans only:
>
> Felt wise, emigrating to America. (8)
> Just interrupting Newton's thread killer,
>
> For Al Evans only:
>
> Felt wise, emigrating to America. (8)
oops, wife coming down stairs... back to work
In reply to johnjohn:
Excuses, it's just too hard for you. Admit it.
Excuses, it's just too hard for you. Admit it.
In reply to Pilch:
Counting crows wasn't supposed to be the thread killer, more a thread filler.
One for sorrow, two for mirth,
Three for a wedding, four for a birth,
Five for silver, six for gold,
Seven for a secret not to be told.
Eight for heaven, nine for hell,
And ten for the devil's own sel'.
Is the crow counting superstition, hence heaven and silver (8&5) providing the key, prior to me disclosing number of letters.
Can't believe One of Louis Walsh's offerings have had the last say on the thread though
Counting crows wasn't supposed to be the thread killer, more a thread filler.
One for sorrow, two for mirth,
Three for a wedding, four for a birth,
Five for silver, six for gold,
Seven for a secret not to be told.
Eight for heaven, nine for hell,
And ten for the devil's own sel'.
Is the crow counting superstition, hence heaven and silver (8&5) providing the key, prior to me disclosing number of letters.
Can't believe One of Louis Walsh's offerings have had the last say on the thread though
In reply to Newton:
Now That's What I Call Cryptic!
Let's revamp the thread, I was enjoying it even whilst being a bit rubbish at it.
>
> hence heaven and silver (8&5) providing the key
> hence heaven and silver (8&5) providing the key
Now That's What I Call Cryptic!
Let's revamp the thread, I was enjoying it even whilst being a bit rubbish at it.
In reply to EddInaBox: Clue: Baby steps with odd sized hats.
Name: 2 words, 6 and 7 letters long.
adverts for album been on tv recently. (not someone I would ever torture my ears with)
Name: 2 words, 6 and 7 letters long.
adverts for album been on tv recently. (not someone I would ever torture my ears with)
In reply to Removed User:
Since Al is incommunicado I may as well tidy this one up it's Swift Eel by the Wet Flies .... I'm almost certain.
> For Al Evans only:
> Felt wise, emigrating to America. (8)
> Felt wise, emigrating to America. (8)
Since Al is incommunicado I may as well tidy this one up it's Swift Eel by the Wet Flies .... I'm almost certain.
In reply to EddInaBox:
Ha! But of course it could be 'Life Stew' by Lee Swift
Ha! But of course it could be 'Life Stew' by Lee Swift
This topic has been archived, and won't accept reply postings.
Loading Notifications...