In reply to BlownAway:
> I too walked around the whole crag, John, to see how it was faring.
> I'm just looking at photos that I took, and I'd say nearer to 50% climbable, although I didn't take any photos of Liqueur Wall.
> I reckon from Knickertwister (P1) leftwards to New Wave (a couple of bits of vegetation in the groove) is OK, whilst higher up, Mandarin leftwards across Keep it Coolin Wall, the Marrow right over to Silverside would be OK.
Madarin is definitely in, but there's a HUGE raven nest on the ledge right of mandarin which affects the routes like golden delicious and the lower walls are grim. It would take a very bold person indeed to set off up keep it coolin' without more cleaning. The others are ok lower down, but you would have to be in adventure mode and climbing well within your ability.
> Rhody Buttress etc looked OK, and a couple of the routes on the back wall looked no worse now than when I climbed them years ago. Dangler looked OK.
RB is ok (apart from the whole dead bird on the ledge below the roof). I wouldn't be doing any of the others without some cleaning on that buttress. There's also another slightly less huge nest on the left of the RB belay ledge.
> Further left, I thought Drupe looked OK?
Still there's about 130 documented routes in there of which about i reckon maximum 10 are good to go at the existing grade without more cleaning.
> Maybe I'm wrong on this but it certainly didn't look like any sort of excuse to bolt the place into submission.
Not, not at all, but as I said, I reckon there are fewer functional bolts in there now than there were 20+ years ago, isn't an excuse to add more but the "thin end of the wedge" or "youth of today" arguments are a bit invalid given that.
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