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 Offwidth 16 Apr 2024

A heads up for those who have missed this. So far it seems like a good new introduction to the Cryptic game.

https://www.theguardian.com/crosswords/quick-cryptic/1

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In reply to Offwidth:

Some nice anagrams there.

 DaveHK 16 Apr 2024
In reply to Offwidth:

Cheers, enjoyed that.

 TonyB 16 Apr 2024
In reply to Offwidth:

I've been trying to do cryptics and thought these were great. I had some problems parsing some of the answers though. I couldn't get 12 across in the 1st one. I can see the definition, but didn't quite see the word play. Then in the second one, I couldn't really understand the word play in 2 down. In the comments someone said that clue was brilliant, but it went beyond me. 

 Pedro50 16 Apr 2024
In reply to TonyB:

12a agree.

2d is an anagram.

 john arran 16 Apr 2024
In reply to Pedro50:

Another word for check is 'rein', as in 'rein in', and 'in audition' is suggesting a homophone.

 mbh 16 Apr 2024
In reply to TonyB:

> I couldn't get 12 across in the 1st one. I can see the definition, but didn't quite see the word play. 


in audition meant 'sounds like' : so reign means rule and sounds like rein = check

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 mark20 16 Apr 2024

I generally work through the Quiptic and Monday's Cryptic each week with varying success. Some seem quite a lot harder than others but I think it is to do with being on the same wavelength, or not, as the setter.

Fifteen squared is useful -

https://www.fifteensquared.net/2024/04/13/guardian-quick-cryptic-2-by-picar...

 Lhod 16 Apr 2024
In reply to Offwidth:

The Everyman, each Sunday, is also a good intro to cryptics.

Then as the next rung on the ladder, Mondays on the regular cryptic are traditionally the easiest of the week.

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 TonyB 17 Apr 2024
In reply to Pedro50:

Thanks, that's quite a clever anagram. I can totally see this now, and the anagram indicator is pretty clear. 

Thanks

 TonyB 17 Apr 2024
In reply to john arran:

Thanks, I had wondered if it was rain as in "take a rain check". 
I thought "rein in" meant to control something. But I suppose "keeping something in check" fits with rein in. I feel this one is a bit tenuous for me, or I'm now over thinking this. 

 TonyB 17 Apr 2024
In reply to mark20:

Thanks. That's really useful, and matches John Arran's description. 

 kathrync 17 Apr 2024
In reply to Pedro50:

> 2d is an anagram.

Are we looking at the same crossword. I have 2d as "Audibly noticed wound (4)". I think that's a homophone, not an anagram??

 kathrync 17 Apr 2024
In reply to TonyB:

> Thanks, I had wondered if it was rain as in "take a rain check". 

> I thought "rein in" meant to control something. But I suppose "keeping something in check" fits with rein in. I feel this one is a bit tenuous for me, or I'm now over thinking this. 

This one confused me as well. I got the word, but only because it was the last clue and I really couldn't think of any other word that worked with the letters I had. I only understood the clue from reading this thread, and it feels a little tenuous to me too!

 mbh 17 Apr 2024
In reply to kathrync:

> Are we looking at the same crossword. I have 2d as "Audibly noticed wound (4)". I think that's a homophone, not an anagram??

2d in Quick Cryptic 2 is an anagram.

 Pedro50 18 Apr 2024
In reply to kathrync:

> Are we looking at the same crossword. I have 2d as "Audibly noticed wound (4)". I think that's a homophone, not an anagram??

No we're not! 😀

 kathrync 18 Apr 2024
In reply to mbh:

Agreed - but I inferred from the link in the OP that we were talking about Quick Cryptic 1, hence my confusion!

In reply to Offwidth:

I’m not immediately convinced by 12ac. The classical rule is that you need to be able to produce a sentence where ‘check’ could be substituted for ‘rein’ without changing the meaning. It’s not obvious. ‘Rein in’, sure, but that’s cheating.

Maybe ‘x acted as a check/rein on Y’s ambitions’. It’s not perfect but acceptable.

jcm

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 mbh 20 Apr 2024
In reply to Offwidth:

QC3 done! I like Carpathian. Now for the probably much greater, days-long, challenge of today's Prize, which is a Picaroon. I tend to be all or nothing with him.

 TonyB 21 Apr 2024
In reply to mbh:

I enjoyed QC3 and managed it in a surprisingly (for me) short amount of time. Although was let down by my knowledge of porches and barrels. 

 tlouth7 22 Apr 2024
In reply to Offwidth:

Interesting that they still expect you to know some of the cryptic conventions, for example certain words that shorten to non-obvious pairs of letters.

 kathrync 22 Apr 2024
In reply to tlouth7:

> Interesting that they still expect you to know some of the cryptic conventions, for example certain words that shorten to non-obvious pairs of letters.

This one seems a bit of a leap in that regard compared to the last two.

I also found it interesting that although I have finished the crossword, I didn't understand one of their example clues. Can anyone tell me how this one works? I understand sin = bad thing and I guess that I'm removing a P (no parking), but I can't figure out what I'm removing the P from...

Deletion

Remove letters from another word for the answer

‘Car trip with no parking is bad thing (3)’ gives SIN

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 abcdefg 22 Apr 2024
In reply to kathrync:

Remove the 'p' from 'spin.'

 kathrync 23 Apr 2024
In reply to abcdefg:

> Remove the 'p' from 'spin.'

Aha! Thanks.

 tlouth7 23 Apr 2024
In reply to kathrync:

> This one seems a bit of a leap in that regard compared to the last two.

True, although number 2 had 11 down: cool down one spicy food (6) which is a single letter but not obvious.

 mbh 23 Apr 2024
In reply to tlouth7:

> True, although number 2 had 11 down: cool down one spicy food (6) which is a single letter but not obvious.

Isn't this just as per the rubric: last word (pair) was the definition and what preceded was a double definition. Taking 'I' for 1 or 'O' for 0 or duck isn't that cryptic, no?

 mbh 23 Apr 2024
In reply to kathrync:

> ‘Car trip with no parking is bad thing (3)’ gives SIN

I had to stare at that for quite a while before I saw it.

 Cooper51 23 Apr 2024
In reply to mbh:

Tbf Picaroon has now given me my new favourite cryptic crossword clue:


Nerd with new Capri pants, not a sweater? (6,6)

😁

 G. Tiger, Esq. 23 Apr 2024
In reply to Cooper51:

Laughed out loud when I got that one 

In reply to G. Tiger, Esq.:

Yes, a good one. Requires some knowledge of current affairs to understand the definition part of the clue i.e. understand why the answer is the right one.


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