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What is with people filming themselves at the wall? Dickheads. Tripods and stuff, fully prepared. Send a v2. Go big man. I don’t want to be in your daft TikTok video tho. 

Can this not be banned like taking your top off? 

Helmets, all of you. 
 

People filming their helmets at the wall is just not on.

You should try overseas - it's not unusual for there to be more tripods than people. 

TBH I don't care as long as they don't get in the way and don't post films of me crushing their projects.

You see something you do not understand and you start calling the people a very derogatory name.

It could be that they want to watch themselves and, on problems or climbs they struggle with see if and how they can improve.

It's called seeing things from another perspective.

Though I would say, I object very strongly to people putting my image on the internet, without my consent. 

That’s nothing. What makes me really REALLY ANGRY is people using the couches and tables/chairs as their personal clothes horses and gear stores, especially my favourite ones that I prefer for relaxing or enjoying my coffee and cake. 

Could be using Coaches Eye. Probably not thought. 

In reply to duchessofmalfi:

That’s exactly what I do

This year its tripods, next year it'll be drones.

I'm selectively with you.

Setting up a tripod to film yourself is the signal of a knobhead, but I'm mostly ok to live and let live as long as they don't project their knobheaddery too much.

Them little bendy ones, fine, sure, whatever, if you leave it on the mat and I land on that it's your problem and your loss, and I'm not going to change course to avoid walking through your shot so you better get over that quickly.

What I do have a problem with is this one girl who's started showing up with a proper 2ft high tripod that would seriously injure someone if they fell on it, and putting it in some incredibly stupid places where someone one day will. And the staff not seeming to give a crap until told.

Next you’ll be telling me people who go to gigs, record/watch it through their phone are doing so to study the technicality of the light show for later reference. No, those are people are also dickheads. Well, worse. But it’s about the wall here. 

Filming yourself was advocated in this recent UKC article - 

https://www.ukclimbing.com/articles/skills/smooth_movement_principles_and_t...

Maybe you should read that article I just posted. I have no intention of doing such a thing myself but filming yourself is clearly a valid technique for improving. 

I can perhaps get on board with that if you climbed 8B, marginal gains maybe, dunno.  But I’m willing to bet 99% of people doing this aren’t analysing it, making a plan and deleting that video.  They are working out which specific 8 seconds of their endless ream of absolute shite inflates their ego the most and posting that specific bit online. 

Is this actually the case? Maybe I don’t look in the right places for this stuff but so far I remain blissfully unaware. 

TBH, if they are filming each other or whatever, I cannot see what business it is of yours, though personally, I would go and have chat and ask what was going on and why, might just learn something. I have long thought filming climbers a great aid to training, and if they are putting it on tik tok or youtube, not my bag, but it would be interesting. 

However, if they were filming me or I was appearing in the background, I would be having a word with the centre staff, because, IMHO, thats not on.

Well I can’t confirm my (clearly annoyed, tainted, bias) opinion with  stats, no. But even still can they not just put a sign up and tell people to pack it in? Like they do with the don't take you top off ones. 
 

I go to the wall for my reasons

I guess others go for theirs. 

Cool by me. 

It won't be marginal gains, unless you already have that great technique that lets you climb 8B. Filming yourself and watching it back is one of the most sure fire ways to improve technique in any complex body movement, and the worse your technique is, the bigger gains you will make. 

Admittedly I only did it outdoors, but it was a revelation when I discovered the difference between what it felt like I was doing, and what I was actually doing. 

These days, loads of beginners film themselves indoors and post videos on places like r/climbing, asking for critique.

You don't have to pay for a coach or make friends with a great climber to find out what you're doing wrong any more, surely that's a good thing?

Yes and no. Actually seeing what you are doing vs what you think you are doing is great but there is the impact on those like me who loath cameras anywhere near them.

If someone is obviously filming whilst their mate is climbing then its easy enough to stay out of the way until they fall off but if a tripod is set up?

I hate having photos taken and whilst I am happy to admit its irrational and even override it in certain scenarios (I paddle at lee valley white water centre where everyone walking down the canal seems to detour to take photos) I still wouldnt be a fan at a wall.

The reality is affordable portable digital cameras which could sit on a tripod and record your moves have existed for 25 years, people only started recording themselves climbing in the last 2-3 years for tiktok, insta etc...

A lot of coaches have been advocating filming yourself, to see what you can learn.

Bad habit 

Where abroad? I don't see it at all at the walls/crags I go to in and around Lyon, saw it plenty of times in London even 3 years ago 

It is quite annoying when there are phones and tripods everywhere on the mats (why are people leaving their phones lying around?) taking up space and blocking up other routes.

Behaviour at walls seems to have generally got worse since it’s got more popular. Why are people bring dogs and babies to the wall now? And most places seem to be treated as playgrounds with large groups of poorly managed kids running around 

People filming their helmets at the wall  Is not your business mate!!

This^

Why not just hang your helmet on their tripod? Should get some action of one sort or another..

I started filming myself as I was asked to prior to a coaching session. Found it so useful I've been doing it since on problems I'm struggling with. You won't find any of them on social media but I do have them all on my HDD, it can be fun to look back through and realise that actually my (e.g) rock overs have improved in the last year.

Try it, you might be surprised 

Yes, it's beneficial in many sports, but that option has existed for decades, but only in the last year or two are people 'creating content' etc.. 

Our local wall has a mini phone tripod attached to a bolt, so you can put it anywhere on the wall. Stops people using their own ones on the mats.

How are you? Been a while! You always were a helmet anyway 😁. I’ve not climbed for 2 years so I think I’ll just be happy to get back to somewhere close to my previous form, it’ll be while before I’m in need of coaching. Just not being fat will be a start.  

You would first need to do so . 
 

Breathe. Well done. Another deep breath! That's it, keep going.

Did you know that you can interact with other people without the mediation of UKC forums? You could speak to them, for example. That's the thing where you move your mouth and sounds come out.

You could politely say: "Do you mind if I try this problem?" Or you could use disarming humour, for example: "I would prefer not have any video evidence of me falling off this V2, though... hahaha!" Stand in front of a mirror and practice it first, if necessary. Keep practising until you can manage to avoid using "di**head" as a form of punctuation.

Well done. You are learning tolerance. Next week, when you come back from another session, we will look at using these skills to make friends.

Very amusing thread title . Well done .

A amusing lack of tolerance of the harmless behaviour of others . A work colleague of my sons does just this . He is not great at talking to other people but films and posts himself working problems at a local wall . Doesn’t  really like  to chat to folk. Otherwise a quiet and pleasant young man . So as far as I can see ……totally f£&ing harmless .   

I’m a very calm person in real life believe it or not.  But it did occur to me that over the years I’ve displayed a total lack of tolerance of other climbers on here 😂. It’s never too late for therapy I guess. I seem to recall some time ago getting about 100 dislikes for ranting about people shouting TAKE too loud at tremadog 😂. 

Grow half a beard, don't shower for a week, wear your most heavily stained joggers and an 80s muscle vest. Stare at them for a long time, then ask in your creepiest voice if you can follow them on socials because you're really impressed by their bodies. Assuming you avoid a restraining order, you'll get the wall to yourself in about 10 minutes flat.

Or, get over yourself a bit.

Because climbers have babies and want to keep climbing, and a dog just curled up watching is fine by me.

Poorly managed children, sadly for some climbing walls parties are a good income stream, not my favourite thing.

What is it with the world, people, climbers, UKC, in the old days we could be pretty damn rude too each other, but actually pretty tolerant, live and let live, but nowadays, we are supposed to be more enlightened, but have no tolerance, whats going on?

Because there are more women in climbing; because attitudes to parenting have become more progressive; because climbing walls have become more inclusive and pleasant places. Every time I see a couple at a bouldering wall, alternating between caring for their lal one and attempting a new V7, it gives me hope and seems worth celebrating.

 Do I know you in real life or are you just being a nob?

But if they got one of those flamethrower drones I'd advise you to keep any grumbling to yourself 

www ebay co.uk/itm/395942143739

I'm just amazed how many people leave their phones lying on the mats while they try a problem to be trodden on, fallen on or nicked.

Haha! Yes you do. I think the last time we actually climbed together was zeppelin in Chorro. That should give you a clue 😂. I don’t actually think your a helmet, that was a joke! 
 

It is the same in any gym gym, people can't just put them away for an hour or two. My other half is the same, why didn't you reply etc... because my phone was off away!  

The world is gradually being overrun with helmets  , unfortunately. 

OH. All good then you can call me a helmet 🤣, I'm back in chorro this week actually, doubt we'll be getting into the gorge though unfortunately. 

Top man, wish I was. Got full scale dad bod right now and clearly struggling with a mental breakdown on my return judging by this thread. I’ll get over it hopefully 😂. 
 

They should still ban it tho getting back on topic! 

It does seem that those using a tripod instead of a mate holding a phone or camera indicates an inability to make friends and a gross sense of entitlement. I wonder if the two are related?

Think it’s just peak dickhead to be honest. Imagine going the wall and making sure you packed a tripod so you can film yourself. 

Admittedly I’m slightly out of touch but pretty sure you can’t do this in a swimming pool, gyms etc. 

Sometimes Lattice or other bodies film at Sheffield Depot. The cameras always have an operator and they put up polite notices apologising and inviting those who do not want to be accidentally included in shot to make it known, which seems fair enough 

100%, that’s not the same issue. I’m fine with that. 

I found (initially by forgetting the mini tripod) that the pocket on the side of a lot of boulder buckets works, you set the phone recording, slip it in the bucket pocket with the lens out and aim it. Less gear and the advantage it will just flatten if you fall on it, although not quite as accurate 

Surely expecting someone else to do a job for you that could perfectly well be done by an inanimate object would be the more entitled approach?

No idea about swimming pools, but it seems to be commonplace in gyms. Probably for the same mix of reasons as in climbing walls. Some people want to show off, and some (I'd wager the greater number) want to glean insights into their performance.

Compared to posting a medium-length rant about people doing something that makes zero difference to you, and posting it online?

It’s a public place, and so long as you are not the subject of the video it’s completely “on” whether you like it or not.

Maybe OP could even film himself doing it, to improve their performance

Are you being what people call passive aggressive?
Anyway, personally I do not like people taking my photograph and putting it on Social Media, thats just my opinion, and if people do it, well I consider it a bit discourteous. 
However, I also do not like rules, and think people could probably rub along without them, so in this context, I would say that the photographers should be aware that some people do not want  their picture posting on Social Media. 
As to the Public place thing, I suspect that Climbing Walls could ban all photography, which would be a bit of a shame

No, I'm just highlighting how the law works. It's passive-aggressive at all to point this out. There are plenty of things well within the law that I don't like and also consider "a bit discourteous", but that doesn't remove people's right to do so. I'm simply pointing out that you not like things is not a reason to prevent others from doing them.

There's a Facebook group called Grey Power - for over 50s climbers. There's plenty of good inspirational stuff on there of older climbers doing some pretty cool stuff.

BUT it's become a page where people are posting videos of themselves at the wall and it's dull dull dull. Probably 50% of posts are indoors, mostly from the US for some reason.

Simon who runs the page mentioned that he would delete some of these posts, a few of us agreed and we got flamed.

What is wrong with people? Only you and your mum are interested in a video of you on your favourite V2 at Sender City Gym.

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Is it not a private venue, where you pay for the right to climb there at the owners discretion? 

It's not a public place, you're indoors at a privately owned facility.  You need permission (tacit or otherwise) to film or take photos.  The owner/manager can ban it if they want, or just ask you to stop filming if you're bothering someone.

In practice most gyms (climbing or otherwise) allow it most of the time, and most swimming pools don't during 'public' sessions.

Must agree with you there,especcially if they are purple.

Korea certainly. And I think much of Asia. I don't think it would be an exaggeration to say at the wall I went to in Seoul there were as many tripods as people. The boulder gym was very well set up for this though. All the tripods were off the mats. You also weren't allowed to stand on the mat unless you were about to pull on to climb. Everyone waited in the walkway (with the tripods) and took it in turns. It was incredibly choreographed. 

Is this perhaps one of those examples of minor transgressions of good public behaviour that taken in isolation are 'to be tolerated', but which taken in the whole, are symbolic of the degradation and undermining of the social fabric?

There are lots of things of that nature: music at the crag; drones; people being loud and boisterous on public transport; feet on seats; young children (or dogs) seemingly unencumbered by parental guidance or restriction in public; filming at the wall; filming at the gym; middle lane hogging; parking in a disabled spot because I'll only be a minute.... etc etc.

These things exist on a spectrum, and (apart from the parking one ) when faced with them, most people will tolerate, and be expected to tolerate them. Indeed, unless you're willing and ready for things to escalate to physical violence, which most of us aren't, most people will quietly tut, roll the eyes etc and 'tolerate' these things. And, as demonstrated on this thread, to complain about them marks you out as a grumpy old man, pathetically shaking your fist at the clouds rather than just living and letting live. I mean, god, get over it man.

In isolation that's probably true, but perhaps why people *do* get upset by minor infractions of social order and courtesy, is that they could be seen as symbolic of a deeper tearing of the social fabric. They could be symptoms of increasing social isolation, individualism, a sense that we owe each other nothing and can live in our own bubbles and anyone else can eff off. I believe there's a modern term: main character syndrome.

Perhaps there's a concern that like the boiling frog analogy (albeit subsequently demonstrated not to hold true in the literal case of boiling frogs ) we tolerate small levels of poor behaviour, small infractions of public decency, small amounts of discourtesy, small irritations... and before you know it we're an atomised society, voting for far-right authoritarians, mugging grannies in the street and not realising our neighbours have died until the smell gets unbearable.....

Or maybe it's fine. I dunno....

I sometimes film myself at the wall, balance my phone against a chalkbag

I like to have little vids of me doing cool blocks, and I like to occasionally post them on Instagram too, where about 30-40 friends might see them

It's something I'd only do when the wall is quiet and I'd always make sure nobody is in the shot other than me. But I do like to do it. I've some nice vids of me doing vaguely hard stuff I'm quite proud of

Symbolic, perhaps, of the kind of degradation of the social fabric by the disrespectful "youth of today" that grumpy old men have been complaining about for thousands of years.  It was among the first things ever to be written down when writing was invented.

Turning and turning in the widening gyre

The falcon cannot hear the falconer;

Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;

Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,

The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere

The ceremony of innocence is drowned;

At my local wall at the moment and my thoughts are that indoor gyms are creating a whole new breed of helmets

Don't you, unfortunately, mean "blocs"?

Actually, in the spirit of justified grumpiness, what you actually mean is "boulder problems" which you could shorten to "problems" if you like, but not, FFS, "boulders" (which are lumps of rock which may or may not have boulder problems on them).

Glad everyone has now got that straight.

It's both.  In terms of whether one has the expectation of privacy it's public, but in terms of what policies the owner may apply if they wish it's private.

Same as a railway station or shopping centre.  You have no legal right not to be filmed/photographed as there's no expectation of privacy (as it's a place to which the general public have access in return for payment) but the operator would be allowed to ban photography if it wished (though its only sanction for so doing would be to ask you to leave and use reasonable force in assisting you to do so if you refused - they don't for instance have any right to insist on seeing photographs, them being deleted nor to confiscate cameras or SD cards).

Only 'public' place I've noticed photography being prohibited is the Cabot Circus shopping centre/area in Bristol, though guess it must happen elsewhere as well?  

Yes overseas, that place that is all the same everywhere.

I have the privilege of thinking that OP sounds like a total whinger, because I (who live overseas) have never once seen a tripod or anyone filming themselves at the local commercial bouldering gym or any of the other climbing club training spaces/pain dungeons where I live, or even people filming their friends.

Very glad to feel that I live in a place where the climbing culture does not revolve around people performing for a (real or imagined) audience.

Does the use of "bloc" not come from the French for bouldering, "faire du bloc"?

The railway control it in some places, they don't care about you taking random snaps with your phone (other than the odd jobsworth) but if you want to bring in professional cameras and tripods or do anything for commercial use they generally ask you to sign in at the station reception and get a briefing.

Quite a lot of shopping centres too as you say.

The point is that it's both public and private - public in the sense that you have no expectation of privacy in law, and private in the sense that the owner can have whatever rules they want* and ask you to leave if you don't comply to them.

* Aside from any that discriminate directly or indirectly on protected characteristics, of course.

Oh do be quiet Robert

If a word wasn't in use in English when Robert was young, or it existed but it's now being used with a different/additional meaning, then it's an egregious corruption of the language. This has been established over numerous threads.

This thread is gold.

Yes, as does the word problem, incidentally. Looks as if someone's on a bit of a quest to stem the evolution of English

John Lydon doesn't get the credit he deserves

A bouldering place I go to (I’ll not name it to protect the innocent) has a communal 3 foot tripod for anyone to use.

Personally although I agree that watching people do punter grade indoor Boulder problems is dull as dishwater and can’t understand why people post it on social media, I don’t give a monkeys if someone is climbing themselves or if I’m in the background.

I draw the line at not getting in the way of their shot, or swearing whilst they're filming. They can kiss my arse.

Away with you back to your gym Andrew.

What is wrong with English you silly casque?

We actually call it a wall

People using bloc to refer to a Boulder problem is only marginally less annoying than non French people saying Allez to encourage their mate

No-one tell Dave: https://www.adventurebooks.com/products/grit-blocs?srsltid=AfmBOoo-8Wxp21WM...

Dear God. Though I raise you this; any use of the fest suffix is sickening:

https://www.ukclimbing.com/news/2012/11/blocfest_mile_end_-_huge_success-67...

'Blocfest' - sounds like a constipation treatment

You missed out the best lines!

Indeed. Everyone knows it should be "venga bicho!".

Better still just yell up incorrect and difficult to decipher beta, particularly if it mixes up right and left…

What's wrong with baby's at the wall? 

Now that depends on whether you own one or not. If you are a baby owner, then nothing. For everyone else.................

The punctuation.

Just don't put them in the corner.

Just don't put them in the corner.

What if they've been naughty ?

It´s possible, but you need a heavy solid stainless steel tripod, nothing tubular or it´ll just float straight to the surface. And you need to be good at holding your breath to get the phone on it pointing in the right direction, to adjust the field of view etc.

strikes me as as amusing actually. the furtile attempt to carry on climbing after giving new life can only continue until the babe is out of the manger...... after that the anchor is very much down. Give them their last breath of freedom for 20 years of compromises is upon them.

The vids of rando V2s keep clogging my YouTube feed which is annoying as well

You make it sound like that's a bad thing.

This is one nasty post, congratulations.

What type of sanctimonious miserable git wants to stop people talking their tops off?  (No need to answer, we already know what type of sanctimonious miserable git).

Who provide some of the climbing walls we have the benefit of using

Oh that seems to be a growing trend! There are plenty of lockers, but people just spread there stuff over the comfy couches. 

I propose that everyone who witnesses this should ALWAYS sit in those chairs either brushing the stuff gently to one side or snuggling up within it if it is comprised on down jackets. 

I was going to post on this, but I saw yours in passing. I think it’s a Gen Z from most of the people I’ve seen doing it. There are literally iPhones lying about on the mats with no one near them.

In truth, a really growing trend I noticed in Font on the last trip was YouTubers setting up multiple phones and cameras on tripods to film themselves on problems. Usually in a group with a lot of shouting.

They seem to be having a good time at the crag, so good luck to them. Probably no different to Ron shouting ‘come on arms do your stuff’ while being filmed on the Cromlech. Sometimes it does bug me to arrive at a problem to find a sea of mats and phones, but I’ve always had the thumbs up to step in between goes above other people’s mats. If I feel particularly grumpy, there are always quiet spots to find, even at the wall.