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Franco Cookson has completed the renowned arête project - the 'Sandy Crag Project' - at Sandy Crag in Northumberland. After 30 months, 100 sessions and 1 ground fall, Franco finally established Nothing Lasts H10 7a this weekend. Read more
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In reply to UKC News:
Fantastic looking line and great write up.
P.S. The BMC North York Moors Festival link doesn't seem to work?
Fantastic looking line and great write up.
P.S. The BMC North York Moors Festival link doesn't seem to work?
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In reply to galpinos:
Ridding oneself of the shackles of the human condition!? Some classic Franco there!
Franco - well done! Super looking line, but take it easy with the big ground falls: make sure you don't rid yourself of the physical shackles of the human condition before your time!
Ridding oneself of the shackles of the human condition!? Some classic Franco there!
Franco - well done! Super looking line, but take it easy with the big ground falls: make sure you don't rid yourself of the physical shackles of the human condition before your time!
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In reply to UKC News:
What a line. Technical, massively bold and really hard. This is a brilliant effort! I'm very psyched for the film.
What a line. Technical, massively bold and really hard. This is a brilliant effort! I'm very psyched for the film.
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In reply to UKC News:
Did anyone else get goosebumps reading this write up? So much to like about it!
Did anyone else get goosebumps reading this write up? So much to like about it!
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In reply to galpinos:
So refreshing in comparison with the unimpressive accounts full of buzzwords ("it was an inspirational process") that I often come across.
> Fantastic looking line and great write up.
So refreshing in comparison with the unimpressive accounts full of buzzwords ("it was an inspirational process") that I often come across.
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In reply to UKC News:
No quote from Andy Farnell on this matter? In the interests of balanced reporting. I mean Franco does write a bit like a latter day Si O'Connor...
No quote from Andy Farnell on this matter? In the interests of balanced reporting. I mean Franco does write a bit like a latter day Si O'Connor...
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In reply to Franco Cookson:
Cheers Franco. I might try to align that with a weekend at the mother in laws.
Cheers Franco. I might try to align that with a weekend at the mother in laws.
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In reply to andy farnell:
Apart from "sorry"?
> I've said all that needs saying.
Apart from "sorry"?
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In reply to UKC News:
A quote which i feel will one day achieve national-treasure status alongside "Come on arms....", "6b isn't hard enough...", and, "....way honed rock cats".
> "...but fell off most of the way through the 3rd 7a crux move..."
A quote which i feel will one day achieve national-treasure status alongside "Come on arms....", "6b isn't hard enough...", and, "....way honed rock cats".
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In reply to UKC News:
Well done Franco. Well chuffed for you.
Johnny Dawes for the next generation.
Well done Franco. Well chuffed for you.
Johnny Dawes for the next generation.
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In reply to UKC News:
Well done again Franco and boy has your writing come on alongside your climbing. Crying shame you apparently can't grade properly but one day that praise from Andy will come.
Well done again Franco and boy has your writing come on alongside your climbing. Crying shame you apparently can't grade properly but one day that praise from Andy will come.
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In reply to Offwidth:
https://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?t=638554
To be honest, I couldn't give a flying f#ck what Franco does, or the grades he gives. I've said exactly what I think and will never retract a single word. I stand by everything that was written. If people don't like it, it's their problem and they can deal with it.
Andy F
> Crying shame you can't grade properly but one day that praise from Andy will come.
https://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?t=638554
To be honest, I couldn't give a flying f#ck what Franco does, or the grades he gives. I've said exactly what I think and will never retract a single word. I stand by everything that was written. If people don't like it, it's their problem and they can deal with it.
Andy F
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In reply to andy farnell:
You alright Andy, sounds like you are mellowing a bit?
Well done Franco, great achievement!
You alright Andy, sounds like you are mellowing a bit?
Well done Franco, great achievement!
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In reply to Removed User:
Franco does write a bit like a latter day Si O'Connor...
Bollox yer arse. There's no comparison between Franco's straightforward telling it like it is approach and Si's Blarney blethering...
Franco does write a bit like a latter day Si O'Connor...
Bollox yer arse. There's no comparison between Franco's straightforward telling it like it is approach and Si's Blarney blethering...
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In reply to Franco Cookson:
Good stuff... Nothing Lasts is a decent name, but Farnell's Folly is better IMHO.
Good stuff... Nothing Lasts is a decent name, but Farnell's Folly is better IMHO.
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In reply to UKC News:
Top effort. I feel justified in never being able to follow your beta at the wall...
Top effort. I feel justified in never being able to follow your beta at the wall...
In reply to Offwidth:
Thought Franco proposed H10 which makes sense. It would warrant a high E grade, it certainly looks a lot harder than any established county E9s so E10 is logical, and if Franco thinks E11 then its E11 for now.
Second ascentioists please form an orderly queue.
Thought Franco proposed H10 which makes sense. It would warrant a high E grade, it certainly looks a lot harder than any established county E9s so E10 is logical, and if Franco thinks E11 then its E11 for now.
Second ascentioists please form an orderly queue.
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In reply to UKC News:
Awesome. Chapeau Franco. Looking forward to hearing about the next route, and the one after, and...
Awesome. Chapeau Franco. Looking forward to hearing about the next route, and the one after, and...
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In reply to andy farnell:
It says Dan Varien has been on this (and not done it). It's gotta be nails hard if that's true. If dan agrees with the grade will you finally apologise and admit you were wrong? That'll be 3 full on 'wads' with of confirmations. Randal, Birkett and Varian. They don't come any higher than that really.
It says Dan Varien has been on this (and not done it). It's gotta be nails hard if that's true. If dan agrees with the grade will you finally apologise and admit you were wrong? That'll be 3 full on 'wads' with of confirmations. Randal, Birkett and Varian. They don't come any higher than that really.
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Route name from here by any chance? youtube.com/watch?v=-PuTUj0EnlM&
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In reply to andy farnell:
Yeah, we get it, you did eventually congratulate him on something. The reason people are still giving you stick is that, in my opinion and probably several others, you owe him an actual public apology for your ridiculous and protracted smear campaign rather than just a grudging acknowledgement that ONE of the things he's done was quite worthwhile. Not that I expect any such thing to happen, pride is difficult to swallow so I guess the thread you're repeatedly posting is about as far as you can manage to go.
Yeah, we get it, you did eventually congratulate him on something. The reason people are still giving you stick is that, in my opinion and probably several others, you owe him an actual public apology for your ridiculous and protracted smear campaign rather than just a grudging acknowledgement that ONE of the things he's done was quite worthwhile. Not that I expect any such thing to happen, pride is difficult to swallow so I guess the thread you're repeatedly posting is about as far as you can manage to go.
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In reply to Luke90: As far as I am concerned the apology has been given. I did what I said I would do. If you and others don't like it, well I couldn't care less.
Andy F
Andy F
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In reply to Smith42:
That was a pointed joke. I've never had a problem with Franco's grading and always felt to single him out for particluar criticism was ridiculous given the history of what has happened to grades around the limits in the UK. In the most controversial case of his grading, the subsequent reports from Birkett proved me right (the grade was only changed slightly based on specialist filed down gear Franco didn't think of and without which was reported as correct). He was inexperienced but so are many other young turks across our history.
Franco was a bit naughty sometimes in the way he handled publicity but I'll forgive that alongside his acheivements and the style in which he was trying to move forward.
He also seemed to be struggling sometimes in his early days to get his views across in writing and now look at his output!
That was a pointed joke. I've never had a problem with Franco's grading and always felt to single him out for particluar criticism was ridiculous given the history of what has happened to grades around the limits in the UK. In the most controversial case of his grading, the subsequent reports from Birkett proved me right (the grade was only changed slightly based on specialist filed down gear Franco didn't think of and without which was reported as correct). He was inexperienced but so are many other young turks across our history.
Franco was a bit naughty sometimes in the way he handled publicity but I'll forgive that alongside his acheivements and the style in which he was trying to move forward.
He also seemed to be struggling sometimes in his early days to get his views across in writing and now look at his output!
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In reply to Shani:
Do you mean:
"When 6c just isn’t that hard any more and 6b is approaching a rest.”
"It's alright man, we're experienced rock cats."
?
> A quote which i feel will one day achieve national-treasure status alongside "Come on arms....", "6b isn't hard enough...", and, "....way honed rock cats".
Do you mean:
"When 6c just isn’t that hard any more and 6b is approaching a rest.”
"It's alright man, we're experienced rock cats."
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In reply to Chris Harris:
Yes.
> Do you mean:"When 6c just isn’t that hard any more and 6b is approaching a rest.”"It's alright man, we're experienced rock cats."?
Yes.
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In reply to A Longleat Boulderer:
In fairness to Andy, he hadn't replied to this thread until goaded into it.
> And Andy, please, finally, just give it a rest.
In fairness to Andy, he hadn't replied to this thread until goaded into it.
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In reply to planetmarshall:
I frankly don't care. I am sick of seeing him in Franco threads. <end hijack>
I frankly don't care. I am sick of seeing him in Franco threads. <end hijack>
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In reply to andy farnell:
Andy, I'm not sure folk had to bring this up again; it does get wearing. But let's not be inaccurate - there is no apology in that thread you linked (or any other that I'm aware of).
Andy, I'm not sure folk had to bring this up again; it does get wearing. But let's not be inaccurate - there is no apology in that thread you linked (or any other that I'm aware of).
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In reply to andy farnell:
The more you say you don't care the more obvious it is that you very much do care. Your apology is nothing of the sort. Your protracted smear campaign against Franco was a complete embarassment, and made you look bitter and foolish.
> As far as I am concerned the apology has been given. I did what I said I would do. If you and others don't like it, well I couldn't care less.Andy F
The more you say you don't care the more obvious it is that you very much do care. Your apology is nothing of the sort. Your protracted smear campaign against Franco was a complete embarassment, and made you look bitter and foolish.
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In reply to Frank the Husky and everyone else on this site:
As stated above. I don't give a flying f#ck.
You are entitled to think and say what you want.
As am I.
There was no smear campaign. I asked valid questions about how his grading could be accurate if he had no record or history of hard bouldering, sport climbing or trad outside the Moors. If you are unable to see that, then that is your problem. Not mine.
I am happy with all questions I posed. They needed asking.
I am happy with everything I said and will never retract a single word.
If you don't like that. Tough. Don't expect a grovelling apology. It's not happening. Ever.
Andy F
P.S. Birkett gave it E8. Which is f*cking miles from E10.
> The more you say you don't care the more obvious it is that you very much do care. Your apology is nothing of the sort. Your protracted smear campaign against Franco was a complete embarassment, and made you look bitter and foolish.
As stated above. I don't give a flying f#ck.
You are entitled to think and say what you want.
As am I.
There was no smear campaign. I asked valid questions about how his grading could be accurate if he had no record or history of hard bouldering, sport climbing or trad outside the Moors. If you are unable to see that, then that is your problem. Not mine.
I am happy with all questions I posed. They needed asking.
I am happy with everything I said and will never retract a single word.
If you don't like that. Tough. Don't expect a grovelling apology. It's not happening. Ever.
Andy F
P.S. Birkett gave it E8. Which is f*cking miles from E10.
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In reply to andy farnell:
Birkett gave it E8 with a filed down slider. Without it he said it would have been E10. You could argue for an ultra-pure onsight its still E10 .... who carries filed down sliders just in case?
Birkett gave it E8 with a filed down slider. Without it he said it would have been E10. You could argue for an ultra-pure onsight its still E10 .... who carries filed down sliders just in case?
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In reply to Offwidth:
I seem to remember that Franco had a thread about that route before he climbed it. In that thread I'm reasonably sure that Removable Bolts were mentioned. Can't remember the reason he decided against using one... maybe he thought the moves would be too hard if he used up one of the holes, maybe he didn't think of placing it after using the hole as a hold, maybe the hole was too big for the RB, maybe he thought it'd be better not to have to stop to place it, maybe it was just a flash of inspiration? Maybe, of course, I've misremembered everything...
> Birkett gave it E8 with a filed down slider. Without it he said it would have been E10. You could argue for an ultra-pure onsight its still E10 .... who carries filed down sliders just in case?
I seem to remember that Franco had a thread about that route before he climbed it. In that thread I'm reasonably sure that Removable Bolts were mentioned. Can't remember the reason he decided against using one... maybe he thought the moves would be too hard if he used up one of the holes, maybe he didn't think of placing it after using the hole as a hold, maybe the hole was too big for the RB, maybe he thought it'd be better not to have to stop to place it, maybe it was just a flash of inspiration? Maybe, of course, I've misremembered everything...
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In reply to Offwidth:
Somebody as experienced as Birkett.
> Birkett gave it E8 with a filed down slider. Without it he said it would have been E10. You could argue for an ultra-pure onsight its still E10 .... who carries filed down sliders just in case?
Somebody as experienced as Birkett.
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In reply to andy farnell:
I don't suppose there's anything to stop you from posting something along the lines of 'I guess I was a little bit harsh', though, which wouldn't be grovelling?
Birkett dropped the grade down from E10 to E8 because of the use of the filed down slider, which is something only a handful of people would have in the country, which to me suggests that E10 possibly wasn't entirely wrong, it could have been that E9 was right, which perhaps isn't much of a drop?.
> . Don't expect a grovelling apology. It's not happening. Ever.Andy FP.S. Birkett gave it E8. Which is f*cking miles from E10.
I don't suppose there's anything to stop you from posting something along the lines of 'I guess I was a little bit harsh', though, which wouldn't be grovelling?
Birkett dropped the grade down from E10 to E8 because of the use of the filed down slider, which is something only a handful of people would have in the country, which to me suggests that E10 possibly wasn't entirely wrong, it could have been that E9 was right, which perhaps isn't much of a drop?.
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In reply to jon:
It's all there
https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2...
Franco is probably the first and last rock cat whose development as a climber and person is archived on UKC. Be bold, but do get old, Franco!
> I seem to remember that Franco had a thread about that route before he climbed it. In that thread I'm reasonably sure that Removable Bolts were mentioned.
It's all there
https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2...
Franco is probably the first and last rock cat whose development as a climber and person is archived on UKC. Be bold, but do get old, Franco!
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In reply to Mike Stretford:
Indeed... no need for internet archives either.
https://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?t=465012
Indeed... no need for internet archives either.
https://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?t=465012
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In reply to Timmd:
I wasn't harsh. I was honest. And I have no reason to apologise for the question I asked about where and how his grades came into being. A question, that still has not been satisfactorily answered.
Andy F
I wasn't harsh. I was honest. And I have no reason to apologise for the question I asked about where and how his grades came into being. A question, that still has not been satisfactorily answered.
Andy F
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In reply to andy farnell:
If you had talked to him about what he had done in detail he might have told you. I can see how he could wind people up at the time but his intent always seemed to me to be honest and bloody brave. In contrast you keep digging that hole: it would be nice if you could say well done and despite some perfectly reasonable concerns he proved you wrong (in a general sense not on that specific route)
For those who missed it another video of Franco at his bravest:
https://www.ukclimbing.com/news/item/61201/franco_cookson_takes_20m_ground_...
If you had talked to him about what he had done in detail he might have told you. I can see how he could wind people up at the time but his intent always seemed to me to be honest and bloody brave. In contrast you keep digging that hole: it would be nice if you could say well done and despite some perfectly reasonable concerns he proved you wrong (in a general sense not on that specific route)
For those who missed it another video of Franco at his bravest:
https://www.ukclimbing.com/news/item/61201/franco_cookson_takes_20m_ground_...
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In reply to Offwidth:
Well, strictly speaking This topic has been archived, and won't accept reply postings.
> Indeed... no need for internet archives either.https://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?t=465012
Well, strictly speaking This topic has been archived, and won't accept reply postings.
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In reply to Mike Stretford:
I try very hard to stop myself being really picky like that but you have a point, which given my history here is a fair cop
I try very hard to stop myself being really picky like that but you have a point, which given my history here is a fair cop
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In reply to Offwidth:
I tried, but thought sod it... live a little
> I try very hard to stop myself being really picky like that but you have a point, which given my history here is a fair cop
I tried, but thought sod it... live a little
In reply to Offwidth: I actually had an email conversation with him. He still provided no answers. I stand by everything I ever said. You and the rest of Franco's cronies can get to f*ck.
Good bye.
Andy F
Good bye.
Andy F
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In reply to andy farnell:
So, do you question his grade for the route which was down graded from E10 to E8 thanks to the use of a filed down slider, or do you think it was probably 'about right' (with 'about right' allowing for E9 as a grade ), given that most people don't have filed down sliders?
If you could put aside related things about the depth of Franco's climbing experience in other areas and on other rock types, that would be helpful (in this instance), as it was Birkett mentioning his use of the slider bringing the grade down to E8 which set me wondering.
(Edit: Sometimes one apologies just for 'how' something is expressed. I know I certainly have done. )
Thanks.
> I wasn't harsh. I was honest. And I have no reason to apologise for the question I asked about where and how his grades came into being. A question, that still has not been satisfactorily answered.Andy F
So, do you question his grade for the route which was down graded from E10 to E8 thanks to the use of a filed down slider, or do you think it was probably 'about right' (with 'about right' allowing for E9 as a grade ), given that most people don't have filed down sliders?
If you could put aside related things about the depth of Franco's climbing experience in other areas and on other rock types, that would be helpful (in this instance), as it was Birkett mentioning his use of the slider bringing the grade down to E8 which set me wondering.
(Edit: Sometimes one apologies just for 'how' something is expressed. I know I certainly have done. )
Thanks.
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UKC news:
Wow.Brave effort.3* in every respect.
One to be very proud off.
Wow.Brave effort.3* in every respect.
One to be very proud off.
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In reply to UKC News:
Fantastic effort, Franco.
Your climbing is inspired! Well done, I'm looking forward to Hard Sand
Fantastic effort, Franco.
Your climbing is inspired! Well done, I'm looking forward to Hard Sand
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In reply to andy farnell:
How've all your grades come in to being Andy?
> I wasn't harsh. I was honest. And I have no reason to apologise for the question I asked about where and how his grades came into being. A question, that still has not been satisfactorily answered.Andy F
How've all your grades come in to being Andy?
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In reply to andy farnell:
I do love a good Franco thread, it's just a great opportunity to mercilessly mock Andy.
I do love a good Franco thread, it's just a great opportunity to mercilessly mock Andy.
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In reply to andy farnell:
Half apologies tend to be almost worse than no apology, as Sean Spicer is finding out...
> I stand by everything I ever said. You and the rest of Franco's cronies can get to f*ck.Good bye.Andy F
Half apologies tend to be almost worse than no apology, as Sean Spicer is finding out...
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In reply to bouldery bits:
I guess from guidebooks with a history of peer review?
> How've all your grades come in to being Andy?
I guess from guidebooks with a history of peer review?
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In reply to UKC News:
It is a shame that more than half of the posts on this thread have nothing to do with the news article itself.
Can't we all get along...
It is a shame that more than half of the posts on this thread have nothing to do with the news article itself.
Can't we all get along...
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In reply to andy farnell:
I can't really see the point of you posting on Franco threads now. We all know your feelings and you have added zero to any debate about this specific ascent. Whilst you did originally have a valid question about grades, this has now been answered to a large extent and your posts unfairly detract from Franco's achievements.
Good effort Franco.
I can't really see the point of you posting on Franco threads now. We all know your feelings and you have added zero to any debate about this specific ascent. Whilst you did originally have a valid question about grades, this has now been answered to a large extent and your posts unfairly detract from Franco's achievements.
Good effort Franco.
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In reply to andy farnell:
Don't go. This online breakdown of yours was just getting entertaining.
> You and the rest of Franco's cronies can get to f*ck.
Don't go. This online breakdown of yours was just getting entertaining.
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In reply to Skyfall:
to be fair the only times Andy has posted has been to answer some but not all of the specific questions put to him. it has been those questions that have added zero to the discussion/praise/recognition (where was the debate?) of Franco's talent and commitment in this ground-breaking (sorry) ascent
to be fair the only times Andy has posted has been to answer some but not all of the specific questions put to him. it has been those questions that have added zero to the discussion/praise/recognition (where was the debate?) of Franco's talent and commitment in this ground-breaking (sorry) ascent
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In reply to andy farnell:
I had a thought that there's two ways one might get a feel for grading, which is either climbing on other people's routes, or having other people confirm one's own grades or adjust them sometimes. I don't suppose it matters in the end, so long as accuracy is arrived at?
It could be that franco does have more of a feel for grades since his route was climbed by Birkett?
> I wasn't harsh. I was honest. And I have no reason to apologise for the question I asked about where and how his grades came into being. A question, that still has not been satisfactorily answered.Andy F
I had a thought that there's two ways one might get a feel for grading, which is either climbing on other people's routes, or having other people confirm one's own grades or adjust them sometimes. I don't suppose it matters in the end, so long as accuracy is arrived at?
It could be that franco does have more of a feel for grades since his route was climbed by Birkett?
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In reply to Timmd:
Yes, whether it confirmed what he thought or informed him more, it could only have helped.
> It could be that franco does have more of a feel for grades since his route was climbed by Birkett?
Yes, whether it confirmed what he thought or informed him more, it could only have helped.
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In reply to Morty:
Yes, good point.
Great effort Franco!
> It is a shame that more than half of the posts on this thread have nothing to do with the news article itself.Can't we all get along...
Yes, good point.
Great effort Franco!
In reply to Michael Gordon:
That's why I think Andy possibly risks making himself look like he has a bee in his bonnet, and perhaps seem like he could perhaps be bitter a little bit, if in the future he pops up about Franco's grading credibility. I don't dislike either of them.
I hope Franco holds onto his ability to bounce!
Good effort Franco.
> Yes, whether it confirmed what he thought or informed him more, it could only have helped.
That's why I think Andy possibly risks making himself look like he has a bee in his bonnet, and perhaps seem like he could perhaps be bitter a little bit, if in the future he pops up about Franco's grading credibility. I don't dislike either of them.
I hope Franco holds onto his ability to bounce!
Good effort Franco.
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In reply to Timmd:
We're talking a very limited number of data points though, aren't we, in terms of confirmations? I suspect a man of Franco's ability could double or triple the number of data points over the Easter weekend, I get the impression he isn't really bothered but it would be impressive to see.
> I had a thought that there's two ways one might get a feel for grading, which is either climbing on other people's routes, or having other people confirm one's own grades or adjust them sometimes. I don't suppose it matters in the end, so long as accuracy is arrived at? It could be that franco does have more of a feel for grades since his route was climbed by Birkett?
We're talking a very limited number of data points though, aren't we, in terms of confirmations? I suspect a man of Franco's ability could double or triple the number of data points over the Easter weekend, I get the impression he isn't really bothered but it would be impressive to see.
In reply to UKC News:
A bit surprised that no one has brought up the
Ethics of using sky hooks on sandstone??
I know all gear placed in sandstone can break the rock in a fall but would have thought sky hooks would do a lot more damage very easily.
https://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?t=627278
Were they padded out to protect the rock etc?
A bit surprised that no one has brought up the
Ethics of using sky hooks on sandstone??
I know all gear placed in sandstone can break the rock in a fall but would have thought sky hooks would do a lot more damage very easily.
https://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?t=627278
Were they padded out to protect the rock etc?
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In reply to seankenny:
That's true about data points, but if Franco has a sense of where his grades are, having one of them changed could still feed into his 'internal measure' as it were (assuming people trust Birkett's sense of grades ).
It's 'only climbing' in the end I guess.
That's true about data points, but if Franco has a sense of where his grades are, having one of them changed could still feed into his 'internal measure' as it were (assuming people trust Birkett's sense of grades ).
It's 'only climbing' in the end I guess.
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In reply to Clauso:
A remake of Falling Down starring Andy...
A middle-aged man dealing with both unemployment and divorce, William Foster (Andy Farnell) is having a bad day. When his car breaks down in Northumberland, he leaves his vehicle and begins a trek across the moors to attend his daughter's birthday party. As he makes his way through the moorland landscape, William's frustration and bitterness become more evident, resulting in violent encounters with various people, including the ramblers and a dutiful climber (Franco).
> Don't go. This online breakdown of yours was just getting entertaining.
A remake of Falling Down starring Andy...
A middle-aged man dealing with both unemployment and divorce, William Foster (Andy Farnell) is having a bad day. When his car breaks down in Northumberland, he leaves his vehicle and begins a trek across the moors to attend his daughter's birthday party. As he makes his way through the moorland landscape, William's frustration and bitterness become more evident, resulting in violent encounters with various people, including the ramblers and a dutiful climber (Franco).
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In reply to UKC News:
Well done Franco - good effort
What ever grades these things are - you have a daring do attitude and are out there pushing things, at the very limit.
That's not something you can taught or shown, that has to come from a fire in your belly.
New routing is always good for a debate (long may they last) but there will always need someone to tie in at the sharp end and nothing can take away that buzz of a first ascent, no matter how hard it is. Keep up the good work fella.
Si
Well done Franco - good effort
What ever grades these things are - you have a daring do attitude and are out there pushing things, at the very limit.
That's not something you can taught or shown, that has to come from a fire in your belly.
New routing is always good for a debate (long may they last) but there will always need someone to tie in at the sharp end and nothing can take away that buzz of a first ascent, no matter how hard it is. Keep up the good work fella.
Si
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In reply to seankenny:
Though if you're going to risk your neck on a bold E9/10, it might as well be a new line? If you're talking really hard stuff it won't be a case of him just nipping over somewhere and tying in.
> We're talking a very limited number of data points though, aren't we, in terms of confirmations? I suspect a man of Franco's ability could double or triple the number of data points over the Easter weekend, I get the impression he isn't really bothered but it would be impressive to see.
Though if you're going to risk your neck on a bold E9/10, it might as well be a new line? If you're talking really hard stuff it won't be a case of him just nipping over somewhere and tying in.
In reply to Timmd:
I think that ship has already sailed!
> That's why I think Andy possibly risks making himself look like he has a bee in his bonnet, and perhaps seem like he could perhaps be bitter a little bit, if in the future he pops up about Franco's grading credibility.
I think that ship has already sailed!
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