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UKC News - on 19 Apr 2012
Bear Grylls, 4 kbIn this video we see "Extreme mountain climbing icon Bear Grylls" in action on the rock.

Also includes links to some real climbing...

Read more at http://www.ukclimbing.com/news/item.php?id=67056

muppetfilter - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News: But Bear you big frilly pair of Girls Pants, If you are supposed to be leading why is there a toprope at 1.43 ???
In reply to UKC News: You know I think he's a sound fella who has seen a niche and exploited it. For some younger people he is a bit of an inspiration so what's wrong with that ? So there is a fair bit of 'toffee' being banded around about him staying in hotels and using a top rope etc etc etc but hey ho good luck to the guy.
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JayPee630 - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to Allan McDonald (Gwydyr MC):

What's wrong with the media driven culture around celebrities; especially ones faking 'adventure' to make thousands? Hmmmm... where do we start?
Dan Jam - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News: This is going to be fun *breaks out popcorn*
jim hughes - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to JayPee630: No, I think you are!!
jonathan shepherd - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News: He is doing it in walking shoes though, can't he afford rock boots?
JH74 - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News:

If this press release clip is the only reference point from which to comment then this feckin guy (plus producer) are basically liars. I'm with JayPee.
sarahjharrison on 19 Apr 2012
I'm with Allan on this one. Hilarious, but pretty harmless. At least it doesn't give the impression that just anyone can go sprinting across the desert and do this ;-)
tom_in_edinburgh - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to Allan McDonald (Gwydyr MC):

You got to hand it to the guy, not many folk could make climbing 5.9 look as hard as that.

They should have called it "Top Rope Heroes II : The Master of Movement".
llamaglama - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News:

He doesn't claim to be good. He just says that the climbing makes him feel alive. There is some serious rock-snobbery here. Who really cares if he's top-roping or not doing it in rock shoes? Its a promotional video if you don't like it don't watch it. I swear, some of you lot must just spend your weekends standing at the bottom of crags looking down at people who don't climb as well as you. Stop your whinging.
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llamaglama - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News:
That said... he is a very annoying man.
Kemics - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News:

It also doesn't actually show any climbing. Plenty of chalking up and slow-mo hand slapping onto rock.

It would have been innocent enough to just show him swapping leads on a 5.9, it's not about the grade after all.

Nothing comes across as particularly outrageously fabricated but it just all looks a little weird.

it's a fugazi.
Chris Perry - on 19 Apr 2012
Come on... who doesn't love a bit of bear bashing??!
In reply to UKC News:

Considering he's the head scout I think that's all a bit naff and this American kid sends out a far greater message to future climbers; https://www.vimeo.com/38595574

I know which film would impress and inspire me.
thommi - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to llamaglama: Im not sure its snobbery. I think its a bit crap thats hes trailing the rope to make it look like a very bold lead. Its just odd. Personally I think he must do a lot of his telly trying to supress a smile and visible tongue protrusion from side of cheek.
JoshOvki on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News:

Goodness me! So much anger and elitism all in one thread.

I am sure the producers had much to say about the making of this, and him very little.
batterj2 - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News: Given the worries about rising obesity, lack of fitness and general lack of adventure seeking mentalities of the younger generations, I think the Hollywood-isations of any outdoor activity is only going to beneficial. I certainly don't want to give the impression that you'll be tutted upon by other know-it-alls if you venture outside for the first time.
Andy Hardy on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News:

My bowels move instinctively every day. Can I have a masters please?
wee jamie on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to 999thAndy:
> (In reply to UKC News)
>
> My bowels move instinctively every day. Can I have a masters please?

Yes you can, but not a TV show about it please
GrahamD - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News:

I thought it was a nice entertaining little video. Plenty of editorial licence obviously but I can see how it works for a mass audience.

People have to realise that actual, accurate climbing videos are usually dull as dishwater to most people.
Dominic Green - on 19 Apr 2012
There's clearly not enough good fiction in climbing and Bear Grylls is filling the niche. Speaking for myself, I always chalk up when I handle my cams, don't you?
ericinbristol - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News:

Someone else got there before him and did it a lot better:
"Top Rope Tough Guys"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsAiOYXC-k0
JoshOvki on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to Dominic Green:
> Speaking for myself, I always chalk up when I handle my cams, don't you?

I am glad I am not the only one! Have you started chalking up your gloves before ice climbing too? ;)

GrahamD - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to Dominic Green:

> I always chalk up when I handle my cams, don't you?

Sadly, I think I probably do sometimes.
llamaglama - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to Dominic Green:

No but I do chalk up and then have a pre climb check of my rack
Arcticboy - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News:

A certain Mr Kirkpatrick of this parish has written Edward a letter -

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=507325300
Lurking Dave - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News: but, what has he done on grit?

LD
tony on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News:

I don't really care one way or another about Bear Grylls, but I do love the landscape he was climbing in. Utah desert towers are fantastic.
LaylayPants - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to jonathan shepherd:
Technically he's wearing Approach shoes! This means he's well equipped to get to the crag AND scramble up it!
I can guess the footage we don't see is a lot of 'scrambling' and dogging... (and not in the biblical sense) Although that may prove MORE entertaining...


Personally I think shame on him! Its bad enough he does stay in his hotels etc. And OK so he does inspire kids to get out and do stuff (this does upset me, poor role model) but to blatantly have a Top Rope on his spread-eagle crack, and a beautifully black looking rope in the background of another shot... poor effort Mr. Producer/Editor.
We all have our views on the guy, mostly negative (there are a few fans hiding behind their hands at the moment) but this is poor effort, at least fake it without letting everyone know!

Rant Over...

Remember... Pain is just weakness leaving the body...
Chewie - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News:

Surely if he wants to promote climbing and send out a good message he should be wearing a helmet?
SteveSBlake - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to llamaglama:
> (In reply to UKC News)
>
> He doesn't claim to be good. He just says that the climbing makes him feel alive. There is some serious rock-snobbery here. Who really cares if he's top-roping or not doing it in rock shoes? Its a promotional video if you don't like it don't watch it. I swear, some of you lot must just spend your weekends standing at the bottom of crags looking down at people who don't climb as well as you. Stop your whinging.

Llama,

Get real, I've been looking down on people for over 40 years! Bear is just a new kid on the block in that regard ;-)

Steve

David Hooper - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News: Definatelytime for this link again then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTlsqZ214Mw

Ben Gilbert - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to David Hooper:

This guy is my hero.
JoshOvki on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to David Hooper:

That isn't any better than this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy3SuhEQHVg
ricky6386 - on 19 Apr 2012
jeeeeez, I guarantee that everyone whinging about him watches his programme and sits sniping about how he has a safety line and he's rigged up to the top and blah blah blah. Its an entertainment programme that should be taken with a pinch of salt, its tuned into by most of the public to see him eat various animals and do some extreme looking stunts, it's not a factual documentary on climbing so if you don't like it again....don't watch it! I watched the adventure show with Dave MacLeod and Alan Cassidy the other day, as a climber.....i loved it, my girlfriend (non climber) hated it and found it boring.....yet guess what, she loves bear grylls! Stop whinging and let the guy do what he does........que catty forum fanatic replies..........
Diggler - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News:

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

what a cock!!!!!

(but a heroic one)
Danielg - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to LaylayPants:

Your definatly in the 90 percent!

If you don't like bear grylls and what he does, surely this should be enough for you to stop yourself from watching his videos.

I don't like sprouts, so guess what..... I don't eat them, and then moan about it on UKSPROUTS
Danielg - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News:

C0

90 percent of climbers need to lighten up
scooott - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to Danielg:
> (In reply to LaylayPants)
>
> Your definatly in the 90 percent!
>
> If you don't like bear grylls and what he does, surely this should be enough for you to stop yourself from watching his videos.
>
> I don't like sprouts, so guess what..... I don't eat them, and then moan about it on UKSPROUTS

You'll learn that climbers (on the internet, anyway) are generally snobby about this kind of thing.

No idea why, but that's a whole other issue. If you need to call someone a c*ck because he doesn't wear rock shoes (or whatever), then I guess that's down to you..

I know a lot of it is just humour; but a lot of people seem to genuinely get pissed off at Bear Grylls.. lol. It takes all sorts, I guess.
muppetfilter - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to Danielg:

WHY ?

Bear Ghrylls was embarassingly beaten up Everest by an Amputee, he is nothing but a loud mouth and lies. If you buy into it I pity you.

The chap Steve Backshall that does deadly 60 however is a legend and a real climber to boot.
thommi - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to muppetfilter: +1. Love deadly 60.

in reply to daniel : if someone fed you some kind of crap that looked like sprouts but tasted awful (i love sprouts by the way, specially after a good winter... anyway, i digress) would you go on uksprouts and moan? Its not climbing what hes up to, which is why UKC, when sent it from some promoter, decided to pick it up and have some fun fully aware (and promoting to an extent) a piss take response. Sorry if it has upset you. Didnt he baloon or paraglide or someting over evere....... on no hang on.

people will defend because they like him and want to be him. people will attack him because hes false and very annoying. facts. get used to it.
JoshOvki on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to muppetfilter:

I didn't realise it was a race, if it was Edmund Hillary and Tenzing Norgay win hands down. He is very successful with what he has done, has tried some things I am very much jealous of, such as paragliding over Everest, and seen far more places than I am ever likely to do too.

If I could get a job doing that I jump at it, worth it be rich and well travelled. I couldn't eat the stuff he does mind.
thommi - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to JoshOvki: lol... the myth lives on. he did no such thing. full stop.
ricky6386 - on 19 Apr 2012
A lot of people enjoyed this as a kid, including me, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106582/
and it hasn't made me hate sly stallone, I just giggle at how incorrect it is......shall we all post about how stallone never even climbed half the climbs in the film and how he is a disgrace and blah blah blah whine whine whine?
thommi - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to ricky6386: think there;s a big difference there rick.
Skyfall - on 19 Apr 2012
Maybe it is laughable to an audience of adult climbers (and clearly it is) but, if I had seen this as a kid, I may well have been inspired. And I certainly wouldn't have wondered why he was wearing approach shoes with a black top rope from above. To be fair, he even looked like was doing a bit of easy leading at the start of the climbing proper.
JoshOvki on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to thommi:

I must have missed the new report where it turned out the show he did on it was not him, and that all the other news reports reporting it had been duped.

Can you link me to the news articles please
Danielg - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to muppetfilter:

Give it a rest.

If you don't like, why do you feel the need to watch and moan.

The point is instead of being positive you continously seek to put a downer on something that doesn't really matter. He hasn't and probably never will say he is an amazing climber. Its an excellent produced video, with bear giving his aspect on climbing.

Don't forget that he doesn't have to follow your choice of climbing.

And for anyone that use's a rope while climbing, will certainly know the reasons why bear will have safety ropes on man vs wild and his other videos. He isn't going to kill himself to make good TV.

WillC on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to muppetfilter:

Steve Backshall is awesome! Me and my younger brother always watch Deadly 60...
thommi - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to JoshOvki: Did they say in your program he paraglided over everest then?
Greedotheferret - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to ricky6386: I have to say I watched the adventure show last week, and I found it really boring. Normally I'll watch some climbing footage and be inspired to get out and play on the rock. But half way through I was just starting to switch off.
Climbing up a wet cave just seems pointless to me.
JoshOvki on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to thommi:

excuse me, over the height of Everest. I imagine you have done the same?
ricky6386 - on 19 Apr 2012
I'll bet no one on this forum even bothers to take parachute chord with them on walks and hikes, just let it be known you need parachute cord or you are in grave danger with every footstep.
thommi - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to JoshOvki: Now now josh, lets not get personal. i havent, however nor have i claimed to have....

"No evidence has ever been produced to substantiate the initial claim to have actually flown over Mt Everest in a Paramotor, or the later claim to have flown higher than 8848m (29035 ft), but nevertheless it was a remarkable achievement to even take off with such heavy equipment at 4200m (14000 ft) near Pheriche in Nepal. The sole existing GPS record of the flight suggests they reached about 7600m (25000 ft) which exceeded the existing World Record."

I agree it was an achievement. Please remember that I think in a lot of peoples cases their main beef with your boy is that he has made some pretty wild claims in the past, and produces programs that are sexed up and not transparent. That is all. Why are you so upset that some folk on an internet forum poke fun at him?
summitjunkie - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News: 'Spose he appeals to youngsters and wannabe's but myself I just hate this kind of self promotional dipsh1t, masquerading as some sort of icon when in reality there are probably thousands of UK based climbers and mountaineers who are way beyond his capabilities. So I've just gotta agree with the comments of some of the others on here; he's an utter cock and he should be wearing a helmet! ;-)
George.Rowland - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News: So he's using the 'wrong shoes' (how many people would thing about going at a climb like that without rock boots? It's actually quite impressive ) and there's a top rope somewhere. This is a program about someone interested in the same sport as us, possibly getting other people into climbing who wouldn't otherwise, helping to expand our sport... and that is a bad thing is it ukc? It's that kind of snobbish attitude that keeps less popular sports less popular. This guy likes climbing, ukc likes climbing, we all like climbing... win win?
JoshOvki on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to thommi:

I wasn't getting personal, just amusing how so many people try and down play some of the achievements he has made. It is good viewing, most of the things on TV and sexed up and non transparent. You don't rip into Dave McLoed for not showing his failed attempts while working a route ;)

I am not upset, slightly bored mind (8,000 words to go) and this is keeping me occupied
muppetfilter - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to Danielg: What you fail to grasp is that to "Market" in this way is nothing short of embarassing. Only those that don't know any better won't see it for what it is, to sell climbing as nothing more than a adrenaline experience is selling if far short.
For someone who is nothing more than a crass self publicist famous for being famous built on nothing more than a tissue of lies. I come from a generation where our Hero's really were role models, Kevin Keegan skidding off in superstars and getting up or John Noakes nearly dying in a variety of Bluepeter assignments, these were real Hero's !!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4OzPrskdqU (keegan)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n87SMg_xn1k (Noakes)
Wft on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News: All Hail Grylls, KING OF THE BERKS
GrahamD - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to summitjunkie:

You might think he's a cock, I see someone who sucessfully fills a media niche and good luck to him. He is a TV presenter not a climber - how many TV presenters can do what he does better ? certainly not 1000s
GrahamD - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to muppetfilter:

John Noakes stayed in hotels when he 'did' the Penine Way. I'm sure other stuff was equally staged.

All this daft sniping is missing the point of the show - its like taking top gear to be a serious motoring consumer show.
Scarab9 - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to lots:

the problem with it is that he's portraying himself as some sort of hero. He's effectively saying "I Bear Grylls, a real life human being, am awesome and deserving of your adoration for my awesome stunts" when really he's not doing them. He could easily present and do some stuff while introducing real life heros of various activities who could do it for real, and still with the benefit of the camera work and high budget. That would be equally inspiring and yet true as well.

What he's doing is immoral really! And someone who is lying should not be a role model (I'm not saying he might not be a fair role model based on some of his actions but a lot of them are lies)
muppetfilter - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to GrahamD: The thing is Noakes never pretended he wasn't scared, or ever professed competence. A mate of mine ran an abseil for Ghrylls at a popular cornish tourist attraction and even had to show him how to put a harness on.... Extreeeme Hardcore PUNTER ;0)

PS. have a look at mr Backshall's credentials
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Backshall
tom_in_edinburgh - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to George.Rowland:
> (In reply to UKC News) This is a program about someone interested in the same sport as us, possibly getting other people into climbing who wouldn't otherwise, helping to expand our sport... and that is a bad thing is it ukc? It's that kind of snobbish attitude that keeps less popular sports less popular. This guy likes climbing, ukc likes climbing, we all like climbing... win win?

Participants in any other sport would react in the same way. If a minor celebrity filmed themselves running a marathon in 4 hours for charity, overlaid it with motivational sermons and presented it as a master class they'd get ridiculed by marathon runners.



GrahamD - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to muppetfilter:

Noakes DID pretend to do the Penine Way (where presumably he PRETENDED to be cold, wet and tired unlike like the rest of us who actually did do the PW). I became pretty cynical about veracity of all these TV shows when I found out.
summitjunkie - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to GrahamD:
> (In reply to summitjunkie)
>
> You might think he's a cock, I see someone who sucessfully fills a media niche and good luck to him. He is a TV presenter not a climber - how many TV presenters can do what he does better ? certainly not 1000s

Hi Graham,

The press release for the video, undoubtedly sanctioned by Mr Grylls himself states, "Extreme mountain climbing icon Bear Grylls". I therefore stand by my earlier comments; there are thousands of UK climbers and mountaineers out there who are way beyond his capabilities. He is a self-promoting cock.
Euge - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to ericinbristol:
> (In reply to UKC News)
>
> Someone else got there before him and did it a lot better:
> "Top Rope Tough Guys"
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsAiOYXC-k0

Thank you thank thank you... that is feckin' brilliant

E
summitjunkie - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to Scarab9: gotta agree! ;-)
GrahamD - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to Scarab9:

Its f*cking TV, what do you expect ? Do you believe any of these 'real life' situations and 'fly on the wall' documentaries aren't staged to a greater or lesser extent ?
Euge - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to jonathan shepherd:
> (In reply to UKC News) He is doing it in walking shoes though, can't he afford rock boots?

They are 5:10 tennies with the famous 5:10 dotted sole. fantastic to climb in

Just my 2p

E
muppetfilter - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to GrahamD: The penine way may be the peak of teenage televisual world (long distance lowland walks aren't my bag baby)

However a Bosuns chair secured by a Manilla rope clovehitch hanging off Nelsons Column or standing atop the Rigging on HMS Ganges... "Real fear" and "Real Risk", and if you watch Keving Keegan on superstars there is lots of real blood.
jkarran - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News:

The thing I don't quite get is why the cinematic slow-mo slapping and big tracking shots have to be to the complete exclusion of the actual process of climbing. I mean it actually seems they've gone to great lengths to hide 'how' roped climbing works! Why, it's just plain weird?

'Authentic' climbing video doesn't have to be all about painfully dull shaky close-ups of a gurning man failing his desperate project for the umpteenth time. 'Commercial' climbing video surely doesn't have to look like the 'too silly to be believable' out-takes from Mission Impossible?

jk
alancash100 - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News:

Why can't everyone just chill out? OK it's faked but so what, it's entertainment and it isn't harming anyone. He's making a living, not killing babies.

Just chill out!

Al
Skyfall - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to jkarran:

I thought that a bit but not so much about the rope mechanics as to why they should exclude the second climber. Surely the 'team' aspect is quite important for children to learn about?
Harry Holmes - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News: he didnt tie a proper stopper knot on the black rope!
jkarran - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to JonC:

> I thought that a bit but not so much about the rope mechanics as to why they should exclude the second climber. Surely the 'team' aspect is quite important for children to learn about?

Hmm, I thought I'd got the missing 'team' element in my post. That is the single strangest thing about the clip for me. Fingers and brain clearly not quite in sync
jk
tallsop on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News:

What a f*cking hero! A true British rock climbing legend, I can't wait for his book to come out!
Danielg - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to muppetfilter:

You obviously have some serious issues when it comes to bear.

At the end of the day, all he's doing is making a living surely you can understand that he is hardly going to turn down money because you don't like it, like you wouldn't stop being you, because bear doesn't like what you do!!!

The guys ex 23 SAS, and definatly has a hell of a lot of life experience.
summitjunkie - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to Danielg: If he's ex 23 then I'm a Yankee Navy SEAL - no-one has yet been found that remembers him in 23. The boy is a fantasist! ...and as for "a hell of a lot of life experience" you are surely having a laugh!
natetan - on 19 Apr 2012
As someone famous said; "There is no cheating in climbing; only lying"

Bear is def top-dog when it comes to bending the truth for dramatic effect.
Simon Caldwell - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to JoshOvki:
> You don't rip into Dave McLoed for not showing his failed attempts while working a route

Possibly because he does show his failed attempts?
muppetfilter - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to Danielg: Please bear (pun intended) in mind above I stated that one of my workmates had to rig up an abseil for Grylls and show him how to put on a Harness it is blatantly clear he couldn't do my job ;0)

Its all lies,not everything you see on the Telly is true, im sorry. It's like finding that girl you lusted after for months has a "Crying Game" in the pants....
BAM - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News:
http://www.theadrenalist.com/sports/athletes/behind-the-scenes-video-bear-grylls/

Some behind the scenes footage - I love the bit where they discuss that it has had very few ascents.
What is he using that 15m yellow and black rope for?
jon on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to BAM:

Bear: "So I wonder how many times it's been climbed...?"
Director: "Well I've done a lot of research... and not many."

Brilliant.
SteveSBlake - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to Danielg:
> (In reply to muppetfilter)
>
> You obviously have some serious issues when it comes to bear.
>
> At the end of the day, all he's doing is making a living surely you can understand that he is hardly going to turn down money because you don't like it, like you wouldn't stop being you, because bear doesn't like what you do!!!
>
> The guys ex 23 SAS, and definatly has a hell of a lot of life experience.

I recall his website referring to that and an 'operational deployment' to North Africa (this being long ago, of courseand not a mysterious reference to Libya). I don't believe 23 ever had such a depolyment BITD. Probably very different now, but not back then.

Steve


sam-brad - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News: As many people have said this video is embarrassing to watch if taken seriously as a climber, but for a 10 year old kid it is inspirational if he is motivating kids to get out and see the world as he is then that has to be a good thing!! the fact that he is chief scout proves that he wants to help get kids into the great outdoors. the only issue i have is that he is not wearing a helmet! if youthink that you can do a better job of getting kids excited about the mountains then why dont you go out and do it instead of criticising people that are at least trying!
biscuit - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to muppetfilter:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear_Grylls

Looks better than Backshall's.

Maybe he just has a better promotor, or maybe none of us actually know either of them so we don't know the truth.

He does say he went up to 9000m in a paraglider or whatever it was but states catgeorically that he did not go over Everest.

A guy i worked with was working on a program he did in Tanzania. I think one of the Born Wild things. He thought Bear was a top bloke and brave bordering on bonkers with some of the things he did.

Just goes to show you can't believe what you read on the internet - either spouted by bitter and twisted jealous types, or by TV personality PR people.

Yes the video is cheesy but not that different to what goes on in most TV programs.

Now if you're talking Bruce Parry - there's a real man's man.

I for one would happily put up with the ridicule whilst travelling the world at other people's expense or sitting on my island i've bought with the money i've earnt having a great time.
scooott - on 19 Apr 2012
I'm sure everyone in this thread could make a more entertaining and more accurate TV show than Bear. People in this thread obviously have a lot more charisma and confidence to talk in front of the camera and present their own show, along with all the necessary survival skills and techniques to talk about and display.

I'm just wondering why you all haven't done that, but would rather snipe at someone who has? Interesting.



biscuit - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to SteveSBlake:

wikipedia says he was in 21 reg (R) form 1993 - 1996 if that helps.
Damo on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to Euge:
> (In reply to ericinbristol)
> [...]
>
> Thank you thank thank you... that is feckin' brilliant


Agreed - awesome. '..an actual anchor'

Oh yes. Bear Grylls is a liar and a fraud. For all of those who say 'what's the harm?' the harm is that he misrepresents what he has done, he misrepresents what we do and he misrepresents how things should be done (harming animals? running down glaciers? wearing a gore-tex jacket everywhere?). He dishonestly, and knowingly, steals what is due to those whose records he falsely claims - para over Everest, youngest Brit on Everest etc.

It affects how us and these activities are seen in the mainstream and that affects how we are treated by the media, the authorities and other organisations like land managers, insurers, law enforcement etc. A dishonest and/or inaccurate representation of anything is rarely good, it propagates misinformation and prevents genuine understanding. It diverts attention from the genuine and useful toward the contrived and frivolous. Some people, like Grylls and his supporters, are simply unable to see beyond their greed and self-interest, that the world is not theirs alone, that their actions affect others. They don't deserve our 'respect', they deserve exposure and condemnation.
ricky6386 - on 19 Apr 2012
I think a lot of you have secret man crushes on Bear Grylls, which are causing you to speak cruelly about him, maybe some councelling might help you to come to terms with this? I have heard of this condition once "Bearcrushphobia" and it can get pretty nasty, it has similar symptoms to "Sharmalitus" which can have an equally nasty outcome.
Captain Gear - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to Damo:

An interesting and well thoughtout post, which I generally agree with.

However what can we (climbers as a whole) do about it?
SteveSBlake - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to biscuit:

Hmm, not really, I don't think either deployed 'operationally' back then. On exercise quite possibly, if not very likely. But there's a big difference between exercise and ops!

I wouldn't be at all suprised if he made it into 21, or 23. He would have been robust enough I'm sure.

Regards,

Steve
Danielg - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to muppetfilter:

So everybody should believe your "friend" then should they.

Your friend just wanted to touch his crotch.

And I'm sure you couldn't have in no way passed sas selection, but does that make you a lesser person..... Well yes, but it shouldnt
Danielg - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to Damo:

That's quite a statement that, did hitler write that for you!
muppetfilter - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to Danielg:

> Your friend just wanted to touch his crotch.


Surely the man is one gigantic C**K, How would touching his crotch work ? If everything is genital then that means by default no point on its own can be crotch...
Danielg - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to muppetfilter:

The fact that your UKC 30th ranked top poster, doesn't bode well.....
Johnny_Grunwald on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to biscuit:
> (In reply to SteveSBlake)
>
> wikipedia says he was in 21 reg (R) form 1993 - 1996 if that helps.

I'm sure the R is for Reserve as it is a TA Unit.
SteveSBlake - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to Rockmonkey680:
> (In reply to biscuit)
> [...]
>
> I'm sure the R is for Reserve as it is a TA Unit.

Doh! C'mon I know that! ;-)

Steve
summitjunkie - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to SteveSBlake: I'd be very surprised if he was in 21 either - the selection for both TA SAS units is just a little bit harder than feckin' about on a hillside with a film crew and perfecting a 'thousand yard stare'. If he'd been on any course I ran just as a cloudpuncher you could guarentee I'd RTU him just for being a total wanker.

As Jim Royal would say, "Bear Grylls? TA SAS? My arse!" ;-)
Johnny_Grunwald on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to SteveSBlake:
> (In reply to Rockmonkey680)
> [...]
>
> Doh! C'mon I know that! ;-)
>
> Steve

I was replying to Biscuit ;-)
SteveSBlake - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to summitjunkie:

;-) Having been a Regular Training Capt with a TA Unit for three years, I would never say that!

Steve
SteveSBlake - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to Rockmonkey680:

Doh! so you were :-0

Steve
Danielg - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to summitjunkie:

21 SAS TA selection, is exactly the same as 22 SAS! Its run by the same training staff and in the same locations. To the same standards.

21 SAS when they were called that, would have carried out operations in conflicts around the world with 22 SAS and other special force's.

You do surely know this though, and are not as ignorant as you project yourself to be.
Damo on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to Danielg:
> (In reply to Damo)
>
> That's quite a statement that, did hitler write that for you!

Can't believe it took so long, but you got there eventually. Well done you!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum
summitjunkie - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to Danielg: (summitjunkie takes the MOD90 that has been in his posession since 1984 out of his pocket and swots the young upstart Daniel into the bin marked 'For Sh1t Only!) ;-)
summitjunkie - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to Damo: Bravo, Damo... Bravo! ;-)
SteveSBlake - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to Danielg:
> (In reply to summitjunkie)
>
> 21 SAS TA selection, is exactly the same as 22 SAS! Its run by the same training staff and in the same locations. To the same standards.
>
> 21 SAS when they were called that, would have carried out operations in conflicts around the world with 22 SAS and other special force's.
>
> You do surely know this though, and are not as ignorant as you project yourself to be.

I resignedly place my head in my hands and concede itis time to leave this forum........

If there was a smiley that summed the above up, I'd use it NOW!

Regards,

Steve
Johnny_Grunwald on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to summitjunkie:
> (In reply to Danielg) (summitjunkie takes the MOD90 that has been in his posession since 1984 out of his pocket and swots the young upstart Daniel into the bin marked 'For Sh1t Only!) ;-)

Sprog ;-)
summitjunkie - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to Rockmonkey680: Yep, Sprog! ;-)
Wiley Coyote2 on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News:

The difference between films like Cliffhanger and Mission Impossible and the tosh that Grylls trots out is that the former are pure entertainment, bits of high octane hokum that nobody pretends are true or even anything like it.

Grylls, by contrast, presents his programmes and this kind of promo video as factual documentaries. People are therefore entitled to believe they are true and that they can believe what they are seeing. If the content is flammed up then they are defrauding the viewers because the overall impression of the film is to convey a lie, to present something that did not happen opr did not happen in the way shown as if it did.

Grylls may or may not have some outstanding achievements behind him. I have no way of knowing because I cannot believe some of what he tells me and if some of it is lies then I have no way of knowing if I can believe any of it. By overplaying his hand he just comes over as phoney.
Danielg - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to Damo:

That sort of "theory" was made by people like you.

Not going to get into a war with you. As I do understand your a battle hardend vet, that probably served some half ass tour of alton towers!
Johnny_Grunwald on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to SteveSBlake:
> (In reply to Danielg)
> [...]
>
> I resignedly place my head in my hands and concede itis time to leave this forum........
>
> If there was a smiley that summed the above up, I'd use it NOW!
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve

I'm surprised you bothered to repy. I think the irony of the post in question will clearly pass over the head of the guy who made it
Sir Chasm - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to Wiley Coyote: People are entitled to believe in Father Xmas and Jebus, disillusionment can be shocking.
muppetfilter - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to Damo: But Apart from climbing big mountains in Alaska and other adventurous stuff ....oh...erm.... What right do you have to comment on Bear toproping in Trainers....you Nazi !!!
MartinPL - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to muppetfilter:

And at the end of the movie, we can see a short part of rope with a knot on the end, tied to the harness and pulling by Bear. Surely, it's a yellow rope which imitates the leading ;))
Morgan Woods - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News:

I knew he wasn't proper climber when i saw he puts his chalkbag on with a crab :p
DAVETHOMAS90 - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to JoshOvki:

In reply to JoshOvki:
> (In reply to UKC News)
>
> Goodness me! So much anger and elitism all in one thread.
>
> I am sure the producers had much to say about the making of this, and him very little.

Josh, I completely agree.

Personally, I can be a sucker for over produced shmultz (?), and yes, this promo is a tad embarrassing, but I know how much I'd have loved this, as a ten year old kid, in a "boys own" kind of way. Most of my own climbing has been about inspiration, enthusiasm and imagination, the wonder of it all. Isn't Grylls trying to convey something similar here?

In our seriousness, haven't we forgotten how climbing may have captured our imagination in the first place?

I don't think Mr. Grylls is a fake either. If you look past the production, there are plenty of subtle clues, things like the way he holds/places the cam etc. Have to admit though, he fails to make the slap for the mono! Punter.

By the way, which cream cracker do you prefer, reduced fat or normal? I'm partial to the poppy seed variety with my cheese, but they're twice the price.

Love it.
Dave R.E.M.
DAVETHOMAS90 - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to DAVETHOMAS90:

..Love it.
Dave T.
barbe1 on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News: This guy is awesome. Anyone who eats the kind of stuff he has gets my respect. Video made my palms sweat.
Al Randall on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to Al Randall: Fabulous commentary
Animal on 19 Apr 2012
Got to agree with damo here.

This guy misrepresents us to the media, and all the institutions that have no idea what we do or how we do it.

"Ooh, do you do *free* climbing" my workmates ask me having seen tosh like that on TV.
GrahamD - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to Wiley Coyote:

> Grylls, by contrast, presents his programmes and this kind of promo video as factual documentaries.

Come on. Its presentation style. Just as 'big brother' is presented as 'real'. It only takes a moments thought to think of the logistics involved in setting up a film / production crew for any of the 'lone adventurer' type things you see on TV.
Wiley Coyote2 on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to GrahamD:
> (In reply to Wiley Coyote)
>
> [...]
>
> Come on. Its presentation style.

That's what I said - only I spelled it 'phoney'. What you excuse as presentation style is what I called lying and the fact that it is standard industry practice does not change that.

DaveHK - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News:

I'm going to send Bear a telegram:

Dear Mr Grylls Stop Please please please Stop
Al Randall on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to Dan Bailey - UKHillwalking.com: What surprised me was the base jump at the end. I thought base jumping was a fairly recent thing.

Al
Pete Ford on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News:

Brilliant, UKC does it again with such style, trashing someone who, lets be honest, is exploiting a gap in the outdoor market, and at the same time helps produce some quite watchable television. I'm sure that lots of contributors to this thread would be less cynical if they had the opportunity to be in the same position.
In fact, UKC threads are often incredibly judgemental about people who, in their opinion, fall below their supposed high standards; fat,unfit,smokers,people who don't want to climb E whatever within two weeks of starting climbing etc.
Keep up the good work UKC

Pete
Rubbishy - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to MartinPL:

I spotted that.

What makes Bear an arse pebble is that rather than be an instructional video, to get kids interested, it is a festival of onanism which handily forgets that the world over is full of people who do what he just did week in and week out. It's all about Edward and not the climbing. Mind you, be handy for his Fitness Singles profile....

As to the TA guff, as someone who was Utrinque Paratus at weekends I would not place myself in the same category of the Regs (or TA lads with tours), something our Edward seems to do with annoying regularity.

If you stop the video a 01:45 you can see Rich Simpson holding the top rope.
Hat Dude on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News:

What I hate most about Bear is his hairline; it goes straight across, the b*st*rd!

I'm so jealous; mine is receding rapidly at the sides and the bit in the middle is starting to look like the Isle of Wight
samrad - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News:

that film is so annoying in so many ways. he probably is a great guy and has good knowledge about many things from being in the SAS ect.. but the survival programs and this video are complete bollocks. there designed to be entertaining programs that are supposed to look extreme for people who don't know anything about survival or the outdoors. For anyone who even has the foggiest idea about the outdoors or rock climbing for that matter the program just looks like a joke, and a rubbish one at that.

just a bit embarrassing really.... the most annoying thing for me is how he carries coils of rope round his body all the bloody time??? not really any need... they producers are trying to make him look like action man. Just looks like a nob.
biscuit - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to Damo:

Genuinely interested in this so don't take this as a snipe but did he claim to have paraglided over Everest ? His wiki page says not, and though the height is disputed it was taken as a new record height for a paraglidy thing. Was he not the youngest brit to climb everest at the time ? I think it's been beaten since though 2 or 3 times.

TBH harming animal, running down glaciers and wearing gore-tex everywhere covers many presenters nowadays in his vein.

Just don't mention Ben Fogle on this thread. That really will get people's backs up :0)
Rubbishy - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to biscuit:

or why every TV presenter going within 500m of a field has to have a fully specced Defender replete with snorkelt and roof bars.
Richard Alderton - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to biscuit:
>
> Just don't mention Ben Fogle on this thread. That really will get people's backs up :0)

Met him in Kenya, after my friend had chosen the shade of his Land Rover to recover after a marathon. He seemed like a thoroughly decent chap. He hasn't paramotored over Everest though.
Luke90 on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News:

I'm surpised nobody's yet commented on the section in the behind the scenes video where the camera crew talk about how much rock they've had to level and break off to make it safe for them to film:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5eWlTYeHyk
biscuit - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to samrad:
Just looks like a nob.

To the few thousand in this country who know what is what with climbing. To the 1.2 billion who apparently watched born in the wild and lived with wolves or whatever it was called he looks like an extreme hero. Job done !
thommi - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to biscuit: please see my earlier posts re everest thing...
biscuit - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to Richard Alderton:

I've met him too filming in the Lakes for countryfile. Proper nice bloke i thought, but my comment was aimed at the fact that he too is seen as an evil man as he has had the audacity to use his fame to make some programmes that were made out to be more extreme than they actually were so he could get some cash. HORROR !

I remember watching an episode of extreme dreams where he was talking about the remote area of Nepal where they were and how they were miles from civilisation and if anything went wrong they were in deep trouble. They were stood on a very well maintained track and on the hillside behind him was a large concrete building.

I agree it's wrong but that's the media we have nowadays. Just like all premiership footballers are cheats nowadays. Just look at John Terry last week or any of the players every week who exaggerate contact in an effort to cheat the game, paying fans and viewers. Just like all papers exaggerate as do news programs etc etc etc. As i say i don't like it but i find it hard to believe people still get so upset by one individual.

biscuit - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to thommi:

All i can see is an un referenced quote that says he did break a world record but didn't fly over Everest, something he says himself on his wikipedia page. Did he claim to have flown over Everest or higher than Everest at the time ? That's an important difference. He says his permit didn't allow him to fly over Everest so he didn't.

As for the youngest Brit thing was that true or made up ?

That's either a whopping, hard to hide, lie or a very impressive achievement.
Ed F - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News:

He's not making the film for climbers, and that's up to him surely... (plus we've already got plenty of people making nice climbing films for us).

I'm not saying it shouldn't be the subject of some light hearted piss taking - but the character assassination on this thread is massively OTT.

All I see is a guy who's onto a good wheeze for making a few quid. I would do exactly the same in his position. Who cares if he tells a few porkies here and there, it's for entertainment. I'm pretty sure The Apprentice isn't an accurate representation of business either but no city bankers would get worked up about that.
Skyfall - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to Ed Feldman:

Exactly, every time something is portrayed on TV that you know something about it is quite shocking how inaccurate they get it.

This looks quite accurate bar the following:

1. No 2nd/belayer
2. Top rope
3. No rock shoes
4. Inability to climb cracks
5. Need to carry coils
6. Approaching the route by running and leaping (which I'm sure wasn't to warm up...)

But what have the romans ever done for us....?

On the other hand, it's quite realistic for the lack of a lid and I totally agree that I rarely do feel very brave in the morning.

GrahamD - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to Wiley Coyote:

> That's what I said - only I spelled it 'phoney'. What you excuse as presentation style is what I called lying and the fact that it is standard industry practice does not change that.

Hadn't you realised up until you saw this video that TV land is not real ?
rlines - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to Ed Feldman: Hi Ed.

Agreed. He is clearly making a film to entertain the masses and any sensible person would view it as such. Yes he is a bit inclined towards the spotlight, but then most people are.

Take this site for instance, it's full of people's photos showing how 'extreme' they are! Are all of these photos real? Take the photo on the old eastern grit back cover end of the affair - am i correct in recalling that there was a toprope on the other side of the arete? That may just have been a rumour and I may be wrong here, but my point is that the climbing community as a whole has been known to play up the drama too...

It's yet another UKC staff playing judge and jury story. Who cares how he choses to conduct himself so long as he isn't breaking laws or hurting people.
colina - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News:
sadly i bought a pair of bear grylls trousers hoping that if i was wearing his trousers perhaps i could be the same as him.
(anyone remember "billys boots")
mind you anyone that can sleep IN a camel deserves respect.
(try FINDING a camel when you need one)
Danielg - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to rlines:

Finaly somone with some sense!!!
natetan - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to colina: was the camel in a hotel?
Wiley Coyote2 on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to GrahamD:
> (In reply to Wiley Coyote)
>
> [...]
>
> Hadn't you realised up until you saw this video that TV land is not real ?

I've got to confess that being married to a TV producer/director for 20 years did eventually lead to the odd glimmer of suspicion. Sadly you only have to earwig conversations in a pub to quickly realise that an alarmingly high proportion of people actually believe this crap is real.
WB on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News: I think when you title something 'master...' and then are clearly not. You deserve to be flamed.
JoshOvki on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to WB:

Did he personally title it that, or did someone else?
Ed F - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to Wiley Coyote:

> an alarmingly high proportion of people actually believe this crap is real.

So what? No harm done - absolutely no consequences at all in fact. Might even inspire people to get outdoors and have their own adventure.

People might hold him in higher esteem than he 'deserves' but why do you/we care about that?
Smiler H on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to Ed Feldman: But does he inspire people to get out there?

I often hear people say how amazing what he does is but how they could never do it themselves, when in actual fact, they could!! Bar the eating of animals raw, he does little that a fit, healthy average Jo(e) couldn't do, but by embellishing it all and making it look extreme, he makes the simple seem hardcore and unattainable.

I don't care what grade he climbs, as long as he honestly portrays it rather than lying.

Can videos not be inspiring and credible!?!?
kbow265 - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News: Maybe the top rope was Scouting health and safety?
thommi - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to rlines: was that not seb on meshuga?
rlines - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to thommi: The top rope up the sleve trick? It could have been, yes. Now you mention it.

I seem to rember there was something fishy about the EOtA shot too. I don't have my copy to hand so can't scruitinise it.
thommi - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to rlines: i think with meshuga it was round the corner, no sleeve. but no futons either which is a bit of a give away.

for the record i dont agree though that they are the same thing. At least if someone is recreating an ascent for a guidebook photo they've achieved something in the first place.

"...i go off on my own and i climb, i go the off to the mountains..."

bhavik gandhi... proper role model for youth.
thommi - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to thommi: the quote is bears by the way, not bhaviks.
Lee Sutcliffe - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News: You all can take the piss and argue whether he stays in hotels or if he did or didn't paraglide over Everest. But at the end of the day, the bloke made it in to the SAS reserves (by no means easier than regular SAS but one of the only ways a civilian can get in), survivived a sky diving accident where he broke his back in 3 places. A couple of years later he had summitted Everest at 23. He may do promo vids for multinationals now but he's put the effort in beforehand to get there.
Give the guy a break, I'm sure there will soon be another sucsessful person for you all to to ridicule when you get bored of Bear Bashing
muppetfilter - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to leeplastic: Yeah ... Lets Bash Kenton Cool .... Hold on he climbs hard and guides on big mountains and wins international mountaineering awards and all of this without a clothing line at Millets.
Kipper - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to muppetfilter:

Top video - I think he has a swift half before getting his injuries looked at.

burtnathan on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News: maybe people should do something constructive with there evening instead of "bear bashing", maybe if people spent less time behind there computer screen tearing the guy to pieces they may achieve even a fraction of some of the things he has done. get out there!!
colinkeb - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to 999thAndy:
> (In reply to UKC News)
>
> My bowels move instinctively every day. Can I have a masters please?



if you use the woods you can be a bear as well!
auld al on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News: i enjoyed it, taken with a pinch of salt
PM on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News: The thing I really can't understand is why it's narrated by William Hague.
johncoxmysteriously - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News:

Dear God, that was awesome. I've never actually seen him in action before.

You really don't realise what utter knobs these people are until you actually, as Bear so unselfconsciously quoted Tom Longstaff, rub your noses up against them.

jcm
Skyfall - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to Kipper:

Keegan - I remember that so well though I was only a youngster at the time. Fantastic excuses - of course, whatever he may say, he did hit his front brakes and the rest was history....
Stuart (aka brt) - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to muppetfilter:
> (In reply to leeplastic) Yeah ... Lets Bash Kenton Cool .... Hold on he climbs hard and guides on big mountains and wins international mountaineering awards and all of this without a clothing line at Millets.

Kenton's hardly adverse to self-promotion to be fair.

It's all just a game.

USBRIT - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News: He did really well with 40' of rope..we had to use on the first ascent a 200' lenth. .This "ascent" by the Bear was possibly only the third since 2003.However we did not use chalk ,and managed to get to the foot of the climb in 3 mins from our truck...so there....
kabutsu - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News: still thinking there must be a stunt double...
andyathome on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News:
My kids are in the Scouts and they think he's awesome.

But they climb waaaaay better than him at age 13 and 15.....
rlines - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to thommi: I think in both cases they could climb the routes they were filmed/photographed on and Grylls is no doubt the inferior climber, it's just they chose to sensationalise those routes (you mention the lack of padding, surely the situation looks more serious without padding?) subsequently and that's where I thnk the similarities lie.
Dave Foster - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News:

Brilliant. Love the gurning power slap (aaaaand hold for the camera...) at 1.50.
John P - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to USBRIT:

Admirable that you didn't use chalk (you sure you didn't chalk the gear up at the start?); surely you must have consumed copious amphibians along the way.
Bobling - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News:
Haters gonna hate.
andyathome on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to burtnathan:
> maybe if people spent less time behind there computer screen tearing the guy to pieces they may achieve even a fraction of some of the things he has done. get out there!!

We maybe have?
Jim Crow - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to Bobling:

The man got famous on an initial fake claim to have been the youngest Briton up Everest - he had the sam publicist as that woman who "walked around the world"

But this really does deserve respect for such utter idiocy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9lkNNFPHYs

Hope this inspires the scouts!
David Hooper - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to Jim Crow: my word - and I thought my link above was a pisstake,but he really is that daft.
poeticshambles - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News: Some seriously snobbish, jealous tontos on here. Jealous that someone has found a way to do what they love and get paid for the Privaledge of doing so. I think Bear's great, would far rather kids growing up with him as a role model than anyone else.
shaggypops - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to poeticshambles:
> would far rather kids growing up with him as a role model than anyone else.

Seriously......anyone else?

ianto9 - on 19 Apr 2012
HaHa what a cock!sry about the short reply didn't want overstate it and write 500 words about walking over a sand dune
poeticshambles - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to shaggypops: Alright, maybe John Terry, at a push.
Andrew Smith - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to shaggypops: Ermmm, let me think about this. Well actually yes I would, cheesy as he is to us older folk. I would rather my Son get excited about him and other people like Steve Batchel, than some Tosser Football player, or wanky rapper, or X factor pop star.

It's a no brainer really to a parent.
Skyfall - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to Jim Crow:

'This must only be undertaken as a last resort' .... no f*cking kidding, lol.

The question is; did that really contain fetid water and did he really stick it up his arse?

Skyfall - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to Andrew Smith:

I completely agree. Apart from sticking a tube up your backside containing fetid water, or not.
tom_in_edinburgh - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to Jim Crow:
> But this really does deserve respect for such utter idiocy:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9lkNNFPHYs
>

Piece of cake for an old Etonian.

shaggypops - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to Andrew Smith: i will agree with you on Steve Backshall
In reply to UKC News: Made for the American market one has to believe.

They like such saccharine melodramatic bullsh!t.
andyb211 on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to WillC: Totally agree!!!! Steve "look at my muscles" "if I was a bar of chocolate I'd eat myself" Backshall wins hands down, watch deadly 6o with my 3, 5, 6, & 9yrd old sons and we collect the cards ;}
Robert Durran - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to biscuit:
> Just don't mention Ben Fogle on this thread. That really will get people's backs up :0)

May I just mention that Ben Fogle has actually rowed the Atlantic, holding his own with his Olympic champion companion. Respect. Nothing phoney about that - shows up Grylls for the utter joke that he is (though I do have s grudging respect for the way he has got away with it so spectacularly successfully).

andyb211 on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to Jim Crow: After the somewhat homoerotic raft video, just what was he doing with that tube, sounds bust on my PC found this one, How to get a wet suit from a dead seal, NO not the ones who shot Asama!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk1Cte0arDE
USBRIT - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to stroppygob:Not for US market ... Never heard of the guy until now... We all know you chaps really love the Etonians ..
muppetfilter - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to Robert Durran: Wasn't he responsible for a rather expensive rescue that has been mooted as possibly pushing up BMC insurance premiums ?

you can read all about it here....


http://lifeinthevertical.co.uk/blogs/blog/2009/07/bear-grylls-the-bmc-and-us/
Robert Durran - on 19 Apr 2012
In reply to muppetfilter:
> (In reply to Robert Durran) Wasn't he responsible for a rather expensive rescue that has been mooted as possibly pushing up BMC insurance premiums ?

To clarify,That is Grylls, not Ben Fogle!
Azwhite - on 20 Apr 2012
I can't wait to see the full program, he'll likely solo parts, hang off by his finger tips whilst adjusting his sunglasses, and use super cool words to describe how difficult this is! Although to be fair he is getting youths interested, and appealing to audiences which would otherwise not be exposed to climbing!
Damo on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to biscuit:
> (In reply to thommi)
>
> All i can see is an un referenced quote that says he did break a world record but didn't fly over Everest, something he says himself on his wikipedia page. Did he claim to have flown over Everest or higher than Everest at the time ? That's an important difference. He says his permit didn't allow him to fly over Everest so he didn't.
>
> As for the youngest Brit thing was that true or made up ?
>
> That's either a whopping, hard to hide, lie or a very impressive achievement.

Well, he tried to hide it, but failed.

Wikipedia is not 'his' page. Others can edit it, and they do. Pages like his are often a final balance of diplomatically worded opposing views. Mine was completely created by another person I've never met. If you log in to Wikipedia you can tell who has made changes to any page.

People saw him at Pheriche and saw where/how he went and so he was forced to change his story. However in very recently published books the claim is still there that he 'flew over Everest'. Some may exonerate Grylls and blame his publisher/PR etc but he has control over his image, his media, he benefits from it, he's no amateur. He knows he can let that stuff slide as so many don't care or know any better.

James Allen was the youngest Brit to climb Everest. He did the north ridge in 1995. He hold dual citizenship but does have a British passport. He was 22 at the time. Initially his dual nationality was not well-known, and in the early days of the internet the research and stalking we take for granted now was not so easy. So Grylls had an excuse, sort of. HAD in the past tense. James has informed the Bear camp about their error and they have ignored it, and continue to propagate the lie, as with the par Everest thing.

I won't go trawling the web for links, because I've done it before and they're on here somewhere. ExplorersWeb did a good coverage of the para Everest thing. And contrary facts don't seem to change some peoples' minds. So many comments above smack of mindless consumerism, blithely accepting and narrow.

As is typical here, people repeatedly post about how much they don't care. If you don't care, don't post. Go do something else. Some people do care, about the principles and wider issues involved, and want to debate and discuss that back and forth, agreeing or not. That is not a pointless exercise. People continually popping in to say they don't care, slagging the posters not the post - that is pointless. But Bear loves you, damnit, he NEEDS you!
Damo on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to Damo:

And just noticed this on a Wiki reference link:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-470460/Bear-faced-cheek-adventurer-sneaked-hotels.html

"No matter, on Grylls's website he proudly announces that in 1998 he was the "youngest British climber to reach the summit of Mount Everest".
A spokesman for Grylls says this is indeed the case.
"There was some dispute as to whether the other man was British or Australian and it was looked at by a panel of adjudicators who agreed that it was an Australian mounted expedition and that Mr Allen was registered as an Australian himself."

A panel of adjudicators? ROFLMAO! James was on an Out There Trekking (OTT) expedition, a British company founded and run by Briton Jon Tinker, guided on this occasion by Briton Mike Smith. But again, ignore the facts, keep repeating the lie.
Andy S - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News: I've always liked Bear Grylls and dislike all the pompous types who disrespect him. Remember he's just a guy making a (successful) living based around outdoor pursuits and he is partially slave to a production team who have their own ends. What I like about this short film is that the sentiments he conveys verbally are all good. The film is not accurate in terms of how you go about climbing a route, but who gives a shit - it's a nice dramatic piece of filming and I think the production team behind it should be proud. The small minority of the population who actually climb may scoff, but the vast majority of the population will find it exciting and possibly inspirational to explore this wonderful sport.
Dave 88 - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News:

For everyone saying that it doesn't really matter; he's just making a living. I wonder what your opinion of me would be, if I posted an over-the-top video of me supposedly leading Parthian Shot, but on closer inspection I was top roping it.

Would you say fair play to me, or think I was a big timing liar?
JoshOvki on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to Dave 88:

Go for it!
Dave 88 - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to JoshOvki:

Haha I doubt I could even get it on top rope! Would make quite a funny vid though.
Gambit - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to Damo: No need to trawl for exagerated claims, look at the further information on the video. Bear Grills needs no introduction. .....and the youngest man ever to climb Everest!! A few facts missing I feel
royal - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News:

Bizarre vid. I guess if you just accept that everything you see on TV is lies and unrealistic then fair enough, it's entertainment for the stupid. I can't help thinking that treating everyone as stupid has more sinister effects as well?
It's surreal that anyone who does anything remotely unethical gets a 50 page slating, but Bear makes a fantasy video seen by tens of thousands of Joe Bloggs and it's a 50/50 judgement. Half the 'unethical' things that people get so firebombed for on here are caused by ignorance rather than malice...
GrahamD - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to Andy S:

I agree. Viewed as a climbing documentary by a climber it falls way short. But that isn't what it is. Its a short film made by a TV presenter about the feeling of climbing.
Sir Chasm - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to GrahamD: Of course it could be just one of a series of adverts for an underarm deodorant. And we all expect adverts to be truthful and accurate.
Offwidth - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News:

Thanks for the piece and the not unexpected thread it produced. I see Bear as typifying the current malaise that inflicts our country at the highest levels. Lying old etonians living it up having 'halmless fun' in a land above the rest of us. Its not evil as such but it is dishonest, exploitative, nepotistic, degrading of real quality and detrating from real heroism. These people almost run politics, the media and the judiciary. They know that they are increasingly unrepresentative and publicly 'wring their hands' about how to inspire and encourage the 'lower classes' to do better; then do their level best to help their families and those like them retain the benefits that they have. Many, I'm sure (like Bear), fully beleive their ability got them their just rewards but it isnt likely true and the armies of the more able who don't get the positions awarded to nephews and members of the same rowing club etc are a loss to the future success of our country. The mechanism for all this is the right school, the right university, the right sports club, the right unpaid internment and the right contacts. Nothing individually in this is that bad but the collective effect will ensure very few outsiders make it.

As cheif scout I'm sure he will inspire plenty of plebian couch potatoes already hooked on TV adreneline bollocks and leave the fewer but still plentiful young kids, who were sold the lie and did engage in adventure, with a bad taste when they grow up and realise the truth.
Euge - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News: I'm the youngest Irishman to climb Everest!




OK I didn't climb Everest but I am Irish, can I write a book

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Skyfall - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to Dave 88:

> I wonder what your opinion of me would be, if I posted an over-the-top video of me supposedly leading Parthian Shot, but on closer inspection I was top roping it.
>
> Would you say fair play to me, or think I was a big timing liar?

If the video was to support a career as a pro climber and was, therefore, aimed at the climbing community, you should be called out on it. Obviously.

If, however, you were putting the video out to the non-climbing public and not making a big deal about the route per se, I think we (as climbers) would laugh but the public might find it good.

I'm surprised people can't see the difference.

I'm not saying that I admire Bear (I don't) or that what he does is good (I think it's pretty trashy and I've never managed to watch one of his prog's all the way through, or even close to it) but I can see that kids in particular like it and I don't see any harm in that. If it gives them a thirst for adventure, then that's a good thing in my book. Do I mind the fact he makes money out of it.. not really for various reasons that are a bit irrelevant in all honesty. I find many TV personalities far more offensive than Bear.
David Hooper - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to Offwidth: fabulous post
Lemony - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News: My biggest qualm with it being bear grylls in this video is the company the producers have seen fit to put him in. Darren Berrecloth for example is a genuinely talented athlete, as are the others in the series. Grylls is a talented entertainer.

http://www.pinkbike.com/news/MASTERS-OF-MOVEMENT-with-Darren-Berrecloth.html
Skyfall - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to Offwidth:

Good rant. I never had you down as a class warrior until recently

I see where you are coming from and, to an extent, I agree. However, I don't think the interest of some people in Bear and hence his 'success' is anything to do with class. You might not like the fact that he comes from a bit of a privileged background (compared to some) but I doubt that has very much to do with where he is now and seems to say more about your prejudices than anything else. He did happen to get into the TA SAS, has had a few adventures, and looks/sounds ok on TV (if that's your taste). Of course kids are fascinated by him.

Do you think that appropriate climbing heroes for youngsters should be from a Manchester plumbing background where the lore is of pub fights?

Presumably you have a problem with Bonners for the same reason?
Flashy - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News: Meh. Yeah, the video looks bullshit from a climber's point of view, but it's a cool route at least.

Bear Grylls has always given the appearance of not being what he's trying to portray, even from the time of his first book when he seemed to be giving the impression he was out doing his own thing in the wilderness of Everest (when in fact he was being guided on one of Henry Todd's trips as far as I'm aware). Not saying getting up Everest isn't an achievement in itself -- he just shouldn't need to portray it as anything other than what it was.

So yeah, he comes across as dishonest which is a shame, though it does give us fun opportunities for Bear Baiting. He's young, noisy and does all sorts of stuff so he's a good, inspiring chief scout I would have thought. Just a shame he leaves himself open to criticism with all the bullshit. In part it's probably that he's very dramatic and macho, and we Brits can't help ridiculing that as teenage behaviour.
tom_in_edinburgh - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to Sir Chasm:
> And we all expect adverts to be truthful and accurate.

No. But if someone - celebrity or otherwise - claims to have run a marathon I expect them to have run the 26.2 miles. If they get a lift most of the way and are caught out then they deserve all the public humiliation they get.

Similarly, if someone claims to have done a rock climb, they better have actually done it. I wouldn't care if he went with a guide and got a top rope the whole way and didn't try to hide it. But top roping on a hidden rope and having gear on your harness and a much more visible bit of rope dangling to make it look like you lead it is cheating, just like missing out ten miles of a marathon course. Even worse would be using rope assist to pretend to climb something you can't actually climb, which is what that shot of him hanging by one hand going for chalk for no apparent reason with his feet smearing on nothing rather than wedged in the crack looks like.



JanBella - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News: He is gonna make The Toprope Tough Guys jealous! :D
Sir Chasm - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to tom_in_edinburgh: Oh no! They faked a climb to advertise a pit spray, the world as I knew it has ended.
Offwidth - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to JonC:

I'm not a class warrier in anything like the normal sense. This is about an undeserved elite growing like ivy and chocking off many of our key institutions from the best talent; and the drip feeding of airbrushed shite to the public. If you really think background makes no difference in current entry to the media you are very very mistaken. Julie Birchill (not someone I'd normally recommend) put the position very well in much better rants than mine. Bonners knows full well his background helps open doors but he seems honest, puts climbing first and recognises and nurtures talent.

We put liars and cheats on pedestals and regard them as role models at our peril.
Boredoftheforum on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to Lemony:
Darren Berrecloth for example is a genuinely talented athlete, as are the others in the series. http://www.pinkbike.com/news/MASTERS-OF-MOVEMENT-with-Darren-Berrecloth.html

I'd say putting him in with that lot was Bear faced cheek What climber or bit of footage would best fit in with that lot?

-Sharma on that mental DWS (Es Pontas?)?

-Alex Honold soloing on El Cap?

-Andy Kirkpatrick stuck in a Scottish chimney

-Some highball bouldering with the rather cute Alex Puccio?

-Mr Dawes and his one handed bouldering antics?
muppetfilter - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to JonC:

>
> Do you think that appropriate climbing heroes for youngsters should be from a Manchester plumbing background where the lore is of pub fights?

No.... I do however expect them to be able to climb though before they are lofted as hero's...
simondgee - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News:
How lazy and misleading can editorial get...
The clip is alongside a dozen others that are from a Unilever advertising campaign for antiperspirant. It doesn't take more than 3 clicks to find that bit out. They include somewhat more interesting making of films, and 'Bear and Chubby in the woods' with Chubby on a giant hamster wheel...all true shame on you Bear.
Assuming consistency, are other editorials as accurate as this one...maybe Adam Ondra is just a Disney character...or maybe you've just viraled for £30 billion company.
Skyfall - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to Offwidth:

> Bonners knows full well his background helps open doors but he seems honest, puts climbing first and recognises and nurtures talent.

So your lack of criticism for one of the most 'public school' climbers is nothing to do with not wanting to attack a climbing legend in public?
Skyfall - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to muppetfilter:

You're missing the point about the intended audience again.
GrahamD - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to tom_in_edinburgh:

"claimed to have 'done' a rock climb" - what does that mean to the TV watching public ? I'm sure that an array of ropes and hammering in pitons is almost expected for them.

To the minority of 'real' climbers, what is he actually claiming ?
Damo on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to JonC:
> (In reply to Offwidth)
>

> So your lack of criticism for one of the most 'public school' climbers is nothing to do with not wanting to attack a climbing legend in public?

I couldn't give a stuff about their schooling. I'm only interested in what they've done with their lives in our sphere and how their actions might affect others.

Bonington put his talents to the market - his books sold, his talks sold, he worked for a living, for years. He organised and led genuine hard expeditions doing difficult new things, respected within his field. He could also actually climb, off camera. At 50 he was climbing harder than most people on this forum. He didn't lie about his trips, he didn't claim firsts that were rightfully others. To match his climbing accomplishments nowadays would be impressive, to do what he did in his time is astounding. Real trips, real accomplishments. A lifetime of unmatched contribution to his field, and stints of unpaid service in his later years.

Grylls has lied about his trips, shown no respect for the community whose heritage he draws upon for his image, has accomplished no expeditions of any genuine merit, and has smarmed a vacuous television 'career' out of fake drama for an undiscerning mainstream.

Public schooling is about all they have in common.
redcal on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News:

Master of Movement = Johhny Dawes
Master of Marketing = Bear Grylls

although hats off to anyone willing to earn some $$$'s by crawling into a decaying carcass!
tom_in_edinburgh - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to GrahamD:
> (In reply to tom_in_edinburgh)
>
> "claimed to have 'done' a rock climb" - what does that mean to the TV watching public ? I'm sure that an array of ropes and hammering in pitons is almost expected for them.

Two very simple things which the general public understand by 'doing a rock climb':
1. Actually climbing the difficult bit.
2. Being at risk of falling.

Hanging on a rope posing as if you are climbing is just as obvious as cheating to a member of the public as not running the full course on a marathon. The people involved obviously know this or they wouldn't have bothered trying to hide the top rope.

When someone describes themselves as a Mountaineering Icon in a movie called 'Masters of Movement' and then fakes a 5.9 climb and goes on to hand out a lecture on bravery while pretending to lead when he's top roping it's reached a vomit inducing level of hypocrisy.


Offwidth - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to JonC:

In what possible sense is Bonners one of the most public school climbers?because he is well known and sounds posh?? Plenty of good honest climbers went to public school. I fail to attack him as I don't anything he's done that is so wrong (and plenty he's done that is good).

flattened spottter on 20 Apr 2012
Bear never claimed he was solo climbing. He said ‘at those sort of times I go off on my own and I climb’ that statement is open to interpretation. If you put emphasis on the ‘and’ they are two different things he likes doing ‘going off on his own’ AND ‘climbing’.

It wasn’t an elaborate cover up as everyone seems to be making out. At 1.01 you can see the black rope touching the ground. At 1.02 you can actually see him tie into the black rope. At 1.07 you can see both ropes in question before he starts the climb.

Maybe the yellow rope and the reason for carrying the rack was so Bear could utilise them for rests on a technically challenging route. On such a short clip and with no other detail, all the facts are not apparent so improvident judgements should not be made.

Last point - of course it will be glamorised by the producers, their objective is to sell a product, welcome to the world of advertising. Looking at your comments they have done a real good job aswell as you have all seen the video and are talking about it.

simondgee - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to GrahamD:
and what do the the public think...
that we go to areas of carboniferous limestone, rip all the vegetation and loose rock off, use industrial power tools and anchor systems, spaced far enough apart that the chance of any uncertainity is removed but allows the opportunity to spend 43 days working a 12 move none line while allowing the passing public to understand the full range of vocabulary not available in a dicktionary.
Silly me I was thinking it was BG who was misrepresenting our noble sport. Welcome to our world of elitism and double standards.
HStudierende - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News:

For all the criticism of Bear Grylls perhaps we should consider for a moment why it is that UKC felt the need to run this as a news item. On receipt of the press release the editors could easily have chosen to dismiss it and, therefore, taken away any chance of Grylls getting any of the attention that the press release sought. Was this ascent considered truly newsworthy? Or was the decision to give it front page status (complete with commentary and use of ‘quotation marks’, ostensibly for “extra effect”) to provoke a reaction and create an interest in UKC itself, as the 11,000+ views and 225+ comments appear to attest? Lest we forget that UKC is a commercial company which requires users so as to attract advertising revenue etc. So while it is easy to find fault in the actions of others who promote themselves for their own gain, by participating in these forums we tacitly acquiesce to the commercialisation of climbing. In the end we all have the choice of whether we wish to read, watch and participate in this kind of stuff and Grylls is not the only one to cash in on it.
Simon Caldwell - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to Offwidth:
> Plenty of good honest climbers went to public school.

And State schools have produced plenty of self-promoters with a flexible approach to the truth.

So your earlier Trotskyite rant is wrong from both directions ;-)
simondgee - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to tom_in_edinburgh:

now what was I saying about double standards, elitism and hypocrisy...

>>Been Climbing For
Less than 1 year

Main Sport/Activity
Indoor Climbing
<<
Flashy - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to JonC: Johnny Dawes is another public school climber. Must be the dinners.
deepsoup - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to flattened spottter:
> Bear never claimed he was solo climbing. He said ‘at those sort of times I go off on my own and I climb’ that statement is open to interpretation. If you put emphasis on the ‘and’ they are two different things he likes doing ‘going off on his own’ AND ‘climbing’.

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky"

If you have to do mental gymnastics to see it in a way that its not lying, its probably lying.
deepsoup - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to simondgee:
> (In reply to tom_in_edinburgh)
> now what was I saying about double standards, elitism and hypocrisy...

What's your point? Does that in some way undermine what he said?
Damo on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to HStudierende:
> (In reply to UKC News)
>
> ...So while it is easy to find fault in the actions of others who promote themselves for their own gain, by participating in these forums we tacitly acquiesce to the commercialisation of climbing. In the end we all have the choice of whether we wish to read, watch and participate in this kind of stuff and Grylls is not the only one to cash in on it.

Promoting oneself for commercial gain and the commercialisation of climbing may be related, but they are not the same thing, or necessarily as closely aligned as you imply. Somewhere along the way most people 'promote themselves' for gain. Climbing has had commercial elements from its earliest days, just as it has always had competition, cheating and lying. What is debatable is the degree to which we, as a group or community, allow, or like, or dissuade, either of those. It's a question of degree. A good way to hash that out is arguing back and forth in forums. Not as much fun as the pub but a lot more efficient. UKC serves some very good purposes, and if that needs to be supported by a few ads that are easily ignored then so be it.

The item as a click-magnet I thought was obvious. I have no problem with contributing to that if the thread is a discussion of issues related to climbing, which this is. Sort of.
tom_in_edinburgh - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to simondgee:
> (In reply to tom_in_edinburgh)
>
> now what was I saying about double standards, elitism and hypocrisy...
>
> >>Been Climbing For
> Less than 1 year
>
> Main Sport/Activity
> Indoor Climbing
> <<

So what. I don't claim to be anything more than a middle aged punter. The hypocrisy bit comes when a 5.9 top roping punter calls themselves a 'mountaineering icon' and makes a self promoting video. The cheating bit comes if they also make it look like a lead climb and don't even do the moves.



Offwidth - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to Toreador:

As you probably know well (given the smile and the dig) I'm a liberal academic who, although active in trade unionism, spends too much of my valuable time opposing trotskyist motions.

I became an adult in the late 70's in a world where the old upper classes were losing their hold and much larger numbers were progressing from modest backgounds on merit, even than under the old grammar system (including some on the increasing number of public school scholarships). Some of the most conservative oxbridge colleges were letting women in for the first time, cutting the need for latin or greek and favouring A/S level entry over entrance exams; black british kids from comps were alongside the sons of African and Arab cabinet ministers. My comp had transformed from a relative backwater to a very successful school, partly as the the grammar route closed. Sex and sexuality had stopped being matters of public shame (at least outside the world of the biggotted Daily Mail readers). Even Conservative leaders had stopped being from Eton through Oxford PPE. I was an optimistic young man with a strong belief in fair play and things seemed to be getting better.

Sadly since those days things seem to stall and more recently gone clearly in reverse. In high positions, nepotism and dishonesty and sometimes even superiority seem almost accepted. Those challenging unfairness and lies (even with evidence) are almost regarded as mad. The large media organisations are probably the worst offenders in this respect but even public sector management in some Universities and Hospitals and Police Forces are in on the act now. People pretend that the NoW scandal and Met Police problems are exceptions.

Honesty is important, fairness is important, equality is important. Unlike the trots I dont think you need to smash the system to achieve these but you do need to challenge wrongs and look at ways to improve things and campaign for them.

Bear is just a tiny part of the bad shit going in in UK media at the moment. He does repetedly profit from lies and as such is a bad role model for kids. His public school linked background isn't the main problem as such but the reality is he almost certainly wouldn't be where is if he was from a poor housing estate and a comp education.
flattened spottter on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to deepsoup:

Its not a matter of ‘mental gymnastics’, its a matter of interpretation. What is said and meant can be very different things.
simondgee - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to deepsoup:
> (In reply to simondgee)

> What's your point? Does that in some way undermine what he said?

What that the advert has mislead the public into thinking that its not Dave McLeod on Echo Wall...99% of the public have no concept of the difference between soloing, free soloing, rope protection, top ropes, bolts and more importantly are not bothered anyway. Lets assume it was done as a trad lead or an Alex Honnold solo what exactly would it have achieved (more sales)...its not a public information film...its a nice bit of over hammed cinematography for deodorant that has the 'I own that' climbers pulling their trainspotting note books out..That the comments of risk and misrepresentation of the sport are drawn on 1 years climbing on plywood panels for £6.50 a session is the height of taking yourself too seriously.

I wonder if the forums for hamsters lovers are complaining that it wasn't a real hamster wheel too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgA6MWmxqzA&feature=relmfu

Simon Caldwell - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to Offwidth:
> the reality is he almost certainly wouldn't be where is if he was from a poor housing estate and a comp education.

not from a poor estate or comp education, but not from eton either:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Skelton
deepsoup - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to simondgee:
I meant what point were you trying to make by bringing tom_in_edinburgh's profile into it. Apparently he hasn't been climbing long, and mostly climbs indoors - so what?

> 99% of the public have no concept of the difference between soloing, free soloing, rope protection, top ropes, bolts and more importantly are not bothered anyway.

I agree with Tom, if there's one thing 99% of the public *do* have a concept of with regard to climbing, its the difference between 'fall off = certain death' and 'fall off = probably not hurt'.
Dave 88 - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to JonC:
>
>
> If, however, you were putting the video out to the non-climbing public and not making a big deal about the route per se, I think we (as climbers) would laugh but the public might find it good.
>
> I'm surprised people can't see the difference.
>
I see your point, he doesn't actually talk about the route, or the grade at all, it's just him going up a bit of rock.
MonkeyPuzzle - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to simondgee:

I wasn't aware that 'not climbing very hard' = 'not entitled to an opinion'. Shall we shorten the debate by finding out the opinion of the best climber on here and then we can all go about our days?
Dave 88 - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to Boredoftheforum:

Yeah the biking clip is pretty scary stuff.

Have a look at Travis Rice's snowboard clip. Awesome stuff-
http://www.snowboardermag.com/exclusives/travis-rice-degrees-masters-of-movement/

Personally I think the advertisers have shot themselves in the foot a bit with the BG clip being a bit pony, amongst a field of other genuinely talented, top of their game people. Kinda devalues their message.

Amazing production quality in all the clips though.
Damo on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to Toreador:
> (In reply to Offwidth)
> [...]
>
> not from a poor estate or comp education, but not from eton either:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Skelton

Shameless: http://www.explorersweb.com/stats/news.php?id=20582

She was the joke of the season.
yazfab on 20 Apr 2012
Bear is an amazing adventurer. I read his book and he is truly inspirational. That said, he become a commercial product, he found a way to make a lot of money and his producer probably pushes him to do something silly like this video. It has pure commercial and advertising meaning. The video is done well and like many other videos with this style it tries to shock you with slow motion filming and cool sounds (come on did the bird really squeak!!??)... of course he was not leading especially with those shoes. I think that for Bear faking something on TV for the sake of entertainment (and cash) is probably totally normal. However, I'm slightly disappointed at UKC... Not sure why they mixed this type of Holliwood style videos with the real stuff they post regularly. We need real mountaneers, real people... i feel much more inspired and entertained by the usual videos you post. I would expect to see this video on the daily mail not UKC.
simondgee - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to deepsoup:
sweeping statements as evidenced below by Tom's repost.

and how many climbers face certain death if they fall off on in an advert, on a top rope with the scouts , at a climbing wall, on Right wall, a boulder problem, where is the difference?

He is seen using some kind of equipment (in a very entertaining way ;-)) ...'No Ethel, thats his safety equipment he pulls on, it falls on it, fires it in with a bolt gun...but I know for certain Ethel...Bear knows what he is doing)
simondgee - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to MonkeyPuzzle:
I don't think Tom said he doesn't climb very hard?
His profile says he has less than 1 years experience and its indoors climbing hard has nothing to do with depth
simondgee - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to tom_in_edinburgh:
Hmm I missed the bit where he called himself a 'mountaineering icon'...remind me where that was?
I missed the bit where he was making a self promoting video...he's paid by Unilever in a huge multi million $ multi layered North American product campaign ...so I take it that's his job...a bit like waving Samsung banners on Everest...

Listen to the commentary and then decide if there is anything that you feel uncomfortable about if it was said by... [pick a name].

It must be appalling to have a '5.9 top roping punter' become Chief Scout and boost the falling numbers of kids involvement in scouting and the outdoors against every trend in the book.

As a separate point, and having done this ...for an unroped scene we filmed for a docudrama the talent who climbs at E6 did not climb at any point with out a safety line on a VDiff move...its removed in post production. It is a an appropriate safety measure to prevent foreseeable accidents and matches our H&S method statements and the expectations of our insurance cover and duty of care. A week before we filmed him climbing 'normally' for actuality with normal rules of engagement and risk. 2 completely diff things.
thommi - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News: Just out of interest has the other thread been pulled?
Flashy - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to yazfab:
> Bear is an amazing adventurer. I read his book and he is truly inspirational.

Being inspirational is one thing. Some people felt his book was misleading and that he wasn't an amazing adventurer, just an amazing bullshit-artist.

There's nothing wrong with what he does. What's wrong is the disparity with what he does and what is presented. Too much spin turning some cool activities in their own right into a steaming pile of crap.
Robert Durran - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to yazfab:
> Bear is an amazing adventurer.

One of his "amazing" adventures was to be first to cross the Atlantic with a stopover in Iceland in a boat with a big outboard motor on the back. So much more impressive than those lightweights who have done it solo non-stop with sails or even oars for propulsion.
Andy S - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to Robert Durran: people seem to be implying that only those adventurers who are among the most accomplished in the world should be allowed to be featured in TV programs as an entertainer. What planet are you on? And what have YOU done?
USBRIT - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News:Been very entertaining reading all the comments on Bears effort on this climb of mine. The main difficulty on the first ascent of this climb was not the 5.9 bits but the clean aid(no pitons)on the sections that have quite soft rock. I took two short falls at the start of the second pitch (cams ripping out) and another longer fall from near the top of the same pitch ripping out three cams ending up at the bottom of the groove Bear was pretending to layback.The final crack was solid and worth the problems of the lower looser sections.Its the climbers who ever they were who got Bear in those positions and almost hid his top rope that should be commended for their effort.
tom_in_edinburgh - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to simondgee:
> (In reply to tom_in_edinburgh)
> Hmm I missed the bit where he called himself a 'mountaineering icon'...remind me where that was?

That would be in the second line of his press release
"Exclusive: New extreme footage of Bear Grylls:

Extreme mountain climbing icon Bear Grylls chose to summit the iconic Tombstone Rock in Canyonlands National Park near Moab, UT. T...."
Flashy - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to Robert Durran:
> One of his "amazing" adventures was to be first to cross the Atlantic with a stopover in Iceland in a boat with a big outboard motor on the back.

Reminds me of an Orcadian fishermen I met living in the Faroes. He was showing me his boats -- "this one I had built in America". I asked how he had it delivered to the Faroes and he replied "oh, I just flew over and drove it here." When I opined that would be tiring he assured me that he had a quick stop in Iceland for a rest.
Hat Dude on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to USBRIT:
> Its the climbers who ever they were who got Bear in those positions and almost hid his top rope that should be commended for their effort.

Whop whop whop whop
Sir Chasm - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to tom_in_edinburgh: Sir Chasm is not surprised to see bear refer to himself in the third person.
Niall - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to Danielg:
> (In reply to Damo)
>
> That's quite a statement that, did hitler write that for you!

Just in case nobody else has beaten me to it, can I invoke Godwins Law at this point?
Jonny2vests - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to Danielg:
> (In reply to summitjunkie)
>
> 21 SAS TA selection, is exactly the same as 22 SAS! Its run by the same training staff and in the same locations. To the same standards.
>
> 21 SAS when they were called that, would have carried out operations in conflicts around the world with 22 SAS and other special force's.
>
> You do surely know this though, and are not as ignorant as you project yourself to be.

I wonder why you think that is true?

mark s - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News: im really not bothered what he does.he is not harming anyone.
i find some of the replies far more entertaining,people who can hardly climb any harder slagging the bloke off....
he's making money out of it so good on him
KTT on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to mark s: Is it just me or does anyone else find the initial post by Jack Gerald, sneering, elitist, mocking and rather unpleasant?
Danmurphyo - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News: haters gonna hate. publishers attitude stinks.
Danmurphyo - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to KTT: couldn't agree more
Danmurphyo - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to simondgee: Dan_Murph likes this...
SteveSBlake - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to jonny2vests:
> (In reply to Danielg)
> [...]
>
> I wonder why you think that is true?

Well obviously, he knows doesn't he ;-)

Steve
alicia - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to Toreador:
> (In reply to Offwidth)
> [...]
>
> not from a poor estate or comp education, but not from eton either:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Skelton

It's funny, the winter cycling community feels the same way about her that we feel about Grylls!
Simon Caldwell - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to alicia:
> It's funny, the winter cycling community feels the same way about her that we feel about Grylls!

I know, that's why I posted the link
It's not just the cyclists either, in fact it's anyone who knows anything about what she claims to have done!
Marder20 - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News: The technicalities of the production of this climbing sequence and video aside, to those who patronise Bear Grylls remember he has completed one of the toughest selection processes in the world...if you are in the Special Forces then have a go at Bear for staying in hotels, or top roping for that matter, by all means...
alicia - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to Toreador:

Oh sorry, I thought you were going with her as an improvement over Grylls!
CH - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to HStudierende:

What you said.
Jonny2vests - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to SteveSBlake:
> (In reply to jonny2vests)
> [...]
>
> Well obviously, he knows doesn't he ;-)
>
> Steve

Indeed.
Goucho on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News: When any adventure sport - especially climbing, is packaged up to be presented to the general public, it is invariably never a technically correct or realistic portrayal.

And the reason for this is very simple - the general public don't care.

They have no in-depth knowledge of the sport, and therefore don't spot, or are not in the least bit interested in the often laughable inaccuracies and un-realistic aspect of it - it's simply entertainment.

Climbers are not Bear Grylls target market, and at the end of the day, it's all about making money for those involved in the production of his programmes and activities.

And, Bear Grylls is not the first, or last individual, to put an inaccurate 'spin' on his supposed achievements in order to further his career.

i'm sure there is a forum somewhere, where scientists are up in arms over the unrealistic and inaccurate 'technical' presentation in the media, of how the Hadron Collider actually works, and operates, but I wouldn't be able to spot it.

At the end of the day, it's all about entertainment, and money!

Argiung about it on here, is only giving Mr Grylls even more publicity.
tom_in_edinburgh - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to Marder20:
> (In reply to UKC News) if you are in the Special Forces then have a go at Bear for staying in hotels, or top roping for that matter, by all means...

Nobody is having a go at him for top roping or sleeping in hotels. It's about honesty, not elitism. In every sport there is an basic expectation of honesty about performance and passing selection for Special Forces doesn't give you a free pass.
Tom F Harding on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News:

Has the behind the scenes video been posted? The helicopter must really add to the 'connecting with nature' vibe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPYKOmRPuGY

Enjoy...
howlingbaboon - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News: What an absolute tool! Would have been so easy just to do the route properly, and not much harder to fake it well. Probably had several guys just paid to chuck rocks past the camera every now and then. I bet he cried like a baby as the guide short roped him onto the top (before hiding behind a rock for the 'hero' shot)

BTW
If he'd just been honest and filmed himself being taken up it without all the faking BS, this wouldn't bother me at all. What will all those kids he's inspired think when they find out the truth about their hero, shattered dreams...
Toerag - on 20 Apr 2012
TheDrunkenBakers - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to Scarab9:
> (In reply to lots)
>
> the problem with it is that he's portraying himself as some sort of hero. He's effectively saying "I Bear Grylls, a real life human being, am awesome and deserving of your adoration for my awesome stunts" when really he's not doing them. He could easily present and do some stuff while introducing real life heros of various activities who could do it for real, and still with the benefit of the camera work and high budget. That would be equally inspiring and yet true as well.
>
> What he's doing is immoral really! And someone who is lying should not be a role model (I'm not saying he might not be a fair role model based on some of his actions but a lot of them are lies)

That's bollock, he is doing no such thing. So many fookin snobs on here makes me sick. He's doing something he enjoys and he's perhaps inspiring some fat kids to get out and do something similar. We all know there are bits which are staged, so fookin what? I quite like the show as that's what it is, an entertaining show hosted by a passionate likeminded soul. If you want to watch some proper climbing then YouTube C.Sharma and jack yourselves off whilst giving yourselves a great big pat on your superior backs. FFS, don't like it don't watch it. We Brits won't, no can't ever praise anyone who's doing something which is actually quite good. Jealousy!!! Why don't all the Naysayers go get yourselves a TV show rather that wasting time putting someone down who at heart, probably thinks much like you.

Ridge - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to Marder20:
> (In reply to UKC News) to those who patronise Bear Grylls remember he has completed one of the toughest selection processes in the world..

TA SAS off the back of being in the OTC. Not easy by any means, but he wasn't exactly on the Balcony at the Iranian embassy..
muppetfilter - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to TheDrunkenBakers: Praising someone for doing something good would be saying .. I like the quality of the programmes that Ray Mears chap makes, The balance between Botany, scenery and real proven survival skills is really interesting. The deference he showed to the skills of others and the insight and humour shown without patronising indiginous peoples.
Robert Durran - on 20 Apr 2012
In reply to Andy S:
> (In reply to Robert Durran) people seem to be implying that only those adventurers who are among the most accomplished in the world should be allowed to be featured in TV programs as an entertainer. What planet are you on? And what have YOU done?

How accomplished he is and what I have done are utterly irrelevant. If I top rope a Diff. and am honest about it, then there is no problem. The issue is that Grylls' achievements are misrepresented and bigged up to be far more noteworthy than they actually are (Yes, I know it is all done by his paymasters to make money, but that is not an excuse)

mloskot - on 21 Apr 2012
In reply to Robert Durran:
> (In reply to muppetfilter)
> [...]
>
> To clarify,That is Grylls, not Ben Fogle!

What's the clarification about?
AFAIK, the BMC trouble was due to Bear's rescue, wasn't it?

Jonny2vests - on 21 Apr 2012
In reply to TheDrunkenBakers:
> (In reply to Scarab9)
> [...]
>
> We Brits won't, no can't ever praise anyone who's doing something which is actually quite good. Jealousy!!!

Obviously, that is total and utter pish. Plenty of people deserve and receive praise for their achievements. In fact, I'd say the ones we slag off are in a tiny minority, the climbing press is mostly about positive stories when it comes to personal achievements.
Robert Durran - on 21 Apr 2012
In reply to mloskot:
> What's the clarification about?
> AFAIK, the BMC trouble was due to Bear's rescue, wasn't it?

Yes. That was my point.

Damo on 21 Apr 2012
In reply to Robert Durran:
> (In reply to mloskot)
> [...]
>
> Yes. That was my point.

In the interests of honesty and transparency, necessary or not, that Grylls and quite a few here don't give a toss about, I should add something, bizarrely, in defence of Grylls:

This question of Grylls' evac from Antarctica was brought up on another site some time ago, and while I might agree with the sentiment expressed I don't think the underlying facts were correct, as much as you might think I would like them to be. It was brought up in this thread:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?t=442426&v=1#x6219142

And I posted there at the time that despite my views of Grylls and his people, I'm not sure the issue of dodgy/unnecessary insurance claims applied to his situation.

Since then, I have been informed by a knowledgable source that the claim that was critical to the insurer's decision, or seemed to be the one, was actually another incident around the same time, not involving Grylls. The Grylls incident may have factored into the overall picture for some of the parties involved - or not - but from what I know it was not specifically Grylls' evac that forced the decision on insurance.
mloskot - on 21 Apr 2012
In reply to Damo:
> In the interests of honesty and transparency, necessary or not, that
> Grylls and quite a few here don't give a toss about, I should add
> something, bizarrely, in defence of Grylls:
> [...]
> but from what I know it was not specifically Grylls' evac that
> forced the decision on insurance.

I didn't try to aim at Grylls. I actually asked with intention to get things clarified for myself too. I understand the truth behind sudden increase of BMC premiums hasn't been revealed yet. Having no hard proof, accusing Grylls is not right indeed.
Flashy - on 21 Apr 2012
In reply to Marder20:
> if you are in the Special Forces then have a go at Bear for staying in hotels, or top roping for that matter, by all means...

I once climbed Mt Blanc. Therefore, unless you have done the same you can't criticise me for making a living on the back of my claimed Mars landing.
JayPee630 - on 21 Apr 2012
In reply to Flashy:

Agree, what a weird comment to have made about how his service letting him of criticism. Him doing a few years in the SAS, TA or Regular, has absolutely nothing to do with what he does now!
Danielg - on 21 Apr 2012
In reply to jonny2vests:

I know this is true, I don't make comments without knowing the facts.

I used to run the PT on selection
colinkeb - on 21 Apr 2012
In reply to JayPee630: totaly agree! im sure the SAS has its fair share of tossers just like everywhere else.
mark s - on 21 Apr 2012
In reply to howlingbaboon:
> (In reply to UKC News) What an absolute tool! Would have been so easy just to do the route properly, and not much harder to fake it well. Probably had several guys just paid to chuck rocks past the camera every now and then. I bet he cried like a baby as the guide short roped him onto the top (before hiding behind a rock for the 'hero' shot)
>
>
my point exactly,you climb e2!! im sure bear can also, hardly pushing the boat out there.
if he is keeping people entertained,whats the problem.
he is a presenter of popular outdoor programmes.
no_more_scotch_eggs - on 21 Apr 2012
In reply to Danielg:

i'm with you 100% on this one. It really p*sses me off too when people are wrong on the internet.

You just have to show them how wrong they are, even if it takes days and days and dozens of posts. Some people will try to make out that you are some sort of obsessed loser for doing so, but ignore them, this is a point of principle you are fighting

of course, even when shown that they are wrong, some of the haters just wont accept it. Well, you're right again, there must be something wrong with them, they are bound to be dark, troubled individuals, and no doubt sexually frustrated to boot.

People will say you sound angry yourself, but i know you're not, because this would be a stupid thing to get angry over, and you're not stupid, and if you are angry, well, its righteous anger, so that's ok

so you keep at it, eventually everyone else will stop posting, and that means that you have shown that they were wrong, and it will all have been worth it, all those hours posting here will really have paid off

best wishes

Gregor
Damo on 21 Apr 2012
In reply to mark s:
> (In reply to howlingbaboon)
> [...]
> my point exactly,you climb e2!! im sure bear can also, hardly pushing the boat out there.
> if he is keeping people entertained,whats the problem.
>

Did you read the thread before posting? Rather than parrot the same old question as others why not address the points made far above, if you see fault with them.

The 'problem' is that as Grylls' telegenic idiocy becomes more 'popular' his antics are the filter through which many more of us are seen. People with no experience of normal, genuine outdoor activity think that what he does is OK, even good, when much of it is rubbish, let alone faked. So when real incidents in the outdoor world - expeditions, climbs, accidents, disasters - hit the media a lot of people use Grylls as some kind of popular reference point. His name has become a brand associated with adventure, something the mainstream audience will recognise. Even if he and his theatre have nothing to do with the reality of adventure, survival etc.

Get in an accident in the outdoors and the media jump on you and the readers pillory you as some kind of nutcase-who-thinks-he's-Bear Grylls etc. cos all them adventure types is MAD eh! Genuine, normal outdoor people and the real outdoor industry (not his clothing line) have enough challenges with shrinking insurance options, land management,access and liability issues without us being associated with this unrepresentative pap.

Leaving aside his on-the-record conflict with animal rights activists, he presents outdoor activity as desperately adversarial, even the name 'Man vs Wild', like it's some kind of war. I thought 'wild' was a good thing. Don't we strive to protect wilderness? It's all a bit mad and crazy and whoo-hoo dangerous, so of course don't try this at home, don't even get off your ass and do anything because it's MAD out there, nature is dangerous, it's hard but don't worry, kids, Bear's a bit rufty tufty and knows what's what so watch and learn.

It's fantasy, but fantasy that leads people to misunderstand the reality on which it is supposed to be based. Why does he need to run down everything? It would be stupid, dangerous and completely unnecessary to do that in real life (eg. down a glacier) but it looks good on telly so he does it.

To defend stupidity is to promote stupidity.
Niall - on 21 Apr 2012
In reply to no_more_scotch_eggs:
> (In reply to Danielg)
>
> i'm with you 100% on this one. It really p*sses me off too when people are wrong on the internet.
>
> You just have to show them how wrong they are, even if it takes days and days and dozens of posts. Some people will try to make out that you are some sort of obsessed loser for doing so, but ignore them, this is a point of principle you are fighting
>
> of course, even when shown that they are wrong, some of the haters just wont accept it. Well, you're right again, there must be something wrong with them, they are bound to be dark, troubled individuals, and no doubt sexually frustrated to boot.
>
> People will say you sound angry yourself, but i know you're not, because this would be a stupid thing to get angry over, and you're not stupid, and if you are angry, well, its righteous anger, so that's ok
>
> so you keep at it, eventually everyone else will stop posting, and that means that you have shown that they were wrong, and it will all have been worth it, all those hours posting here will really have paid off
>
> best wishes
>
> Gregor

We're gonna need a bigger spoon.

Love your work sir.
sih - on 21 Apr 2012
Wow you lot,

All it did for me was to make me try to get back to Utah and climb there again.

Look at all that rock and routes to be climbed. Look at the amazing scenery. My own adventures to be had.
no_more_scotch_eggs - on 21 Apr 2012
In reply to sih:

yep, bear's antics aside, it was a chance to look at some spectacular scenery, would love to get back out there....

cheers

gregor
Offwidth - on 21 Apr 2012
In reply to Toreador and JonC:

I just love serendipity. That trotskyist rag the Telegraph has a front page article today on the dangerously increasing elitism in Public schools.
Simon Caldwell - on 21 Apr 2012
In reply to Offwidth:
I stopped reading the Telegraph when it turned into the Daily Mail with longer words.
Elitism in Public Schools? If that's what it's about then it's hardly surprising given the reduction in assisted placers for the intelligent poor.
Jon Ratcliffe - on 23 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News: Brear Grylls is a complete nob with a shit name. Word
Flashy - on 23 Apr 2012
In reply to chummer: Some sense at last.
Jonny2vests - on 23 Apr 2012
In reply to Danielg:
> (In reply to jonny2vests)
>
> I know this is true, I don't make comments without knowing the facts.
>
> I used to run the PT on selection

Whatever Walter Mitty.
TheDrunkenBakers - on 23 Apr 2012
In reply to chummer:
> (In reply to UKC News) Brear Grylls is a complete nob with a shit name. Word.

Yeah, but he's probably richer, better looking (my wife would probably say so), more influencial, has better health, gets to meet interesting people, goes to more interesting places, is more intelligent than you any many others here. Most of you, like me, probably dont see more than a climbing wall in Sheffield or a few rock in the peak district. I know who i'd rather be.

Jeez folks, I bet a lot of you on here would secretly prefer to watch soaps and Britain Got Dancing On Ice Voice or whatever rather than hard hitting documentaries about real life or hard to understand operas.

Its slighly overplayed entertainment folks, deal with it. Would any of you find yourselves falling out of a plane in the jungle or your car break down in the desert? I suspect not. My wife and kids love it, its a great hour of learning stuff they didnt know before, watching an overly enthusiastic man eat live worms and beetles whilst laughing at him swimming in sub zero temps. Do I take everything seriously, nope, do I think I must find the nearest camel to sleep in for the night, nope, will I ever find myself in the Canadian wilderness with only a rope for survival.

So he has a top rope or he sleeps in hotel, so what? We all know he does but he's a hell of a lot more entertaining than Ray Mears (who i also like before I get castrated).

Do some of you write in to complain about WWE as well. "Oh no, that wrestler isnt really hurting that man in the spandex, I must complain but it all looks so real".

Jump off those high horses folks and worry about something which needs worrying about.

andyathome on 23 Apr 2012
In reply to TheDrunkenBakers:
> (In reply to chummer)
Most of you, like me, probably dont see more than a climbing wall in Sheffield or a few rock in the peak district. I know who i'd rather be.
>

It is a shame that you feel so inadequate. Live your OWN life rather than aspire to be Edward Grylls.

PS - wtf is WWW or whatever? You maybe do need another life.....

TheDrunkenBakers - on 23 Apr 2012
In reply to andyathome:
> (In reply to TheDrunkenBakers)
> [...]
> Most of you, like me, probably dont see more than a climbing wall in Sheffield or a few rock in the peak district. I know who i'd rather be.
> [...]
>
> It is a shame that you feel so inadequate. Live your OWN life rather than aspire to be Edward Grylls.
>
> PS - wtf is WWW or whatever? You maybe do need another life.....


Perfectly content, my friend, which I why I dont see the need to complain about something which really isnt worth it. Have a look at the Ched Edwards thread, sunshine, and see something with deserves debate.

andyathome on 23 Apr 2012
In reply to TheDrunkenBakers:
Ched who?
TheDrunkenBakers - on 23 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News:

Correction *Evans*
Jonny2vests - on 24 Apr 2012
In reply to TheDrunkenBakers:

Please see here for British people being complimentary about achievement:

http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?t=503108
birdie num num - on 24 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News:
Do any folks here like Brer Rabbit?
TheDrunkenBakers - on 24 Apr 2012
In reply to jonny2vests:
> (In reply to TheDrunkenBakers)
>
> Please see here for British people being complimentary about achievement:
>
> http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?t=503108

Any there again, you are not getting the point J2V. We all KNOW Bear isnt a hardcore climber, its entertainment, for crying out loud.

When the pompous on here accept that he is doing something different, like being the head of the scouts, most of whom would not be seen climbing upside down without protection. Just accept what he is, relax, and enjoy the sillyness of it and then you wont burst a blood vessel every time you hear his name.

Folks really need to chill out and get the heads from their backsides.

Like, knarly, dude!!!

Flashy - on 24 Apr 2012
In reply to TheDrunkenBakers:
> Perfectly content, my friend, which I why I dont see the need to complain about something which really isnt worth it. Have a look at the Ched Edwards thread, sunshine, and see something with deserves debate.

This isn't some 'importance competition'. Congratulations for not caring about dishonesty in climbing (if only this was a climbing forum!); you can happily leave this thread to people who think it's interesting and go and chat about rape elsewhere.

Right, I'm off the the Ched Edwards thread to point out it isn't the single most important issue in the world right now so there's no point discussing it.

r0x0r.wolfo - on 24 Apr 2012
It's a climbing forum! Of course we're going to take the piss out of him, and he deserves it. It's those who are saying "you can't criticise him because he's richer and better than all you" that are taking things a little too seriously I think ;).
Jonny2vests - on 24 Apr 2012
In reply to TheDrunkenBakers:
> (In reply to jonny2vests)
> [...]
>
> Any there again, you are not getting the point J2V. We all KNOW Bear isnt a hardcore climber, its entertainment, for crying out loud.
>
> When the pompous on here accept that he is doing something different, like being the head of the scouts, most of whom would not be seen climbing upside down without protection. Just accept what he is, relax, and enjoy the sillyness of it and then you wont burst a blood vessel every time you hear his name.
>
> Folks really need to chill out and get the heads from their backsides.
>
> Like, knarly, dude!!!

I accept your point. I was challenging your other point that we always have to knock people down, when it is in fact a rarity.
Jonny2vests - on 24 Apr 2012
In reply to r0x0r.wolfo:
> It's a climbing forum! Of course we're going to take the piss out of him, and he deserves it. It's those who are saying "you can't criticise him because he's richer and better than all you" that are taking things a little too seriously I think ;).

Amen brother.
GrahamD - on 25 Apr 2012
In reply to jonny2vests:

Taking the piss: fine
Painting him as the devil incarnate: petty, wrong and uneccessary
birdie num num - on 25 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News:
I bet Bear is having a right good laugh reading this thread. If Num Num had a camera team this is the kind of jape he'd like to do with the UCKers.
Jonny2vests - on 25 Apr 2012
In reply to GrahamD:

Was that meant for me Graham?
ericinbristol - on 25 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News:

Interesting thread juxto:
This one "Bear Grylls - Master of Movement..."
And this one: "Ondra onsight-redpoint-flashes 9a"

nuff said
moppy - on 25 Apr 2012
In reply to most people on this thread:

Compared with a lot of other forums, climbing ones and in particular UKC has so much negativity and one upmanship.

I like Bear's programmes - they're about the wilderness and the mountains and survival - there's not enough on tv that features the natural environment (without focussing on animals anyway).

Here's a good laugh - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfay79OfSCk

A Longleat Boulderer - on 25 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News:

I liked it. So what if it's faked? Who cares!? Bear fills the imagination of the young and promotes these activities and places. Who are we to criticise? It stinks of ego and clique.
GrahamD - on 25 Apr 2012
In reply to A Longleat Boulderer:

In truth, even though I like to think of myself as a 'proper' climber, I'm nearly as far from the top of the sport in any of disciplines as BG - further when it comes to Greater Ranges.
summitjunkie - on 25 Apr 2012
In reply to GrahamD: You do yourself a disservice, Graham - I don't for one minute believe you're so far from the top of the sport as to claim that you have done something physically and mentally demanding whilst actually sitting it out in the warmth of a film-crew's Landie or, worse still, whilst chewing on sirloin n' slugging merlot at the nearest 5-star hotel! ;-)
muppetfilter - on 25 Apr 2012
In reply to A Longleat Boulderer:
> (In reply to UKC News)
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> I liked it. So what if it's faked? Who cares!? Bear fills the imagination of the young and promotes these activities and places. Who are we to criticise? It stinks of ego and clique.


But to point out someone is lieing to the public and presenting false situations as the truth to sell a brand isn't ego and clique.
I can criticise because climbing is a huge part of my life and I hate to see it dragged down and under represented for all the things it can offer. Maybe it inspires a few kids to poke frogs with pointy sticks and torture the odd cat or to try and climb alone without a rope like Bear ???
TheDrunkenBakers - on 25 Apr 2012
In reply to UKC News:

Yaaaaawnnnnn,

Oh, we are still debating this, wake me up when its time to go to work.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Damo on 25 Apr 2012
In reply to TheDrunkenBakers:
> (In reply to UKC News)
>
> Yaaaaawnnnnn,
>
> Oh, we are still debating this,

There is no debate. There's some people repeatedly coming on and parroting 'who cares?' without reading the thread and actually addressing the multiple reasons above why plenty of people care. Wittering defence of your apathy is not debate. If you truly don't care, don't post.
GrahamD - on 26 Apr 2012
In reply to muppetfilter:

I'm not sure how you want a TV presenter (which is what BG is) is expected to present climbing ? because the truth is dull as dishwater TV for most people. Are you saying that you would rather see nothing on TV rather than a highly stylised version of the the truth ?

Its the same as trying to make a serious driving program. Its dull. Thats why we have Top Gear but do you really think of Clarkson as a serious motoring commentator or a TV presenter that talks about cars ?
A Longleat Boulderer - on 26 Apr 2012
In reply to muppetfilter:

Well, I for one don't care. I enjoy the show and I admire the passion of Bear and all that he is doing for bringing adventure sports and the environments in which they are undertaken into the eyes of many. If it offends you when he's found to use a hidden top-rope then quite bluntly, you need to get a life. (don't mean to be nasty ... I say it in the nicest possible way)
RayG - on 03 May 2012
In reply to UKC News: bear haters, get a life!!!!
BrianT - on 04 May 2012
In reply to UKC News: He bit the head off a live snake, for no good reason, on TV. No better than the jungle 'celebrities'. Says all that need saying about him. Tosser.
Johnny_Grunwald on 04 May 2012
In reply to RayG and longleat boulderer:

UKC is a climbing forum where people come to discuss the ehtics and style of climbing (amongst loads of other gumf) and many get a bit passionate about it (can you suggest another forum where they might do it?) To suggest then that anyone on UKC who criticises the way BG climbs or, more importantly, the way in which he represents his style of climbing/mountaineering needs to "get a life" seems incredibly imbalanced, naive and to be honest, gives the impression of a fawning groupie. BG has chosen to be a public figure who is making capital from his climbing exploits (amongst other things) and it seems therefore fair that he is open to comment either way on the way he goes about his business.
muppetfilter - on 04 May 2012
In reply to A Longleat Boulderer: I guess Bear manages 7 out of the 10 pledges of scout law.... Look there is a one about TRUTH, hardly a great role model.


Pledge Law
1. A Scout is honourable, truthful and reliable.
6. A Scout is kind to animals.
10. A Scout is upright in his/her conduct.

Revised by Muppetfilter 2012
1. A Scout will claim to be Honourable Truthfull and Reliable except when toproping or staying in Luxury Hotels.
6. A Scout is kind to Animals except when he needlessly kills them in an inhumane manner for the sake of selling a few extra pairs of sweatshop manufactured trousers.
10. A Scout is Upright in His/Her conduct unlike the lass who his press agents also represented who spent a fair bit of time on her back while hitching a lift with her cameraman and got up the duff.
andybirtwistle - on 18 May 2012
In reply to UKC News: Hummm almost as good as Vertical Limit!

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